Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are just waiting for his confession.

Even if he didn't kill her, he abandoned her somewhere and maybe with someone. How can you come home and not even report that she is missing.

Is this one of those crazy stories that comes out later as she ran away with some dude and was left behind. So, he went home and don't bother reporting it.

She probably killed herself.

She was clearly quite mentally ill from her behavior in that video.

If she killed herself, it explains exactly why her boyfriend is behaving the way he is and wisely listening to his lawyer.

I would vote to acquit (if it even goes that far).

then why wouldn't he call her parents after he discovered the body? Or even just his? Why would he tell no one and drive HER van across the country to FL without talking to anyone about what happened?

Who just leaves the body of their loved one behind, like it's nothing and no big deal, if they really had nothing to do with their death?

You seem to know very little about police or the justice system in the US.

[Anonymous]

The police response in the video is coloring some people's view of what's going on. As someone said in another discussion:

One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle.

Gabby's "fawning" behavior really stood out to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without requoting, I'll answer pp questions since I watched bodycam vid in entirety.

Yes, there was a married couple shot to death in same area on a local trail/camping site. The oddest thing is Gabby and Brian were arguing outside a bar or establishment where one of the murdered women was employed. Someone contacted police because their fight outside escalated to her attempting to slap him, he blocked it and she scratched him.

Police tailed the van which was speeding. Sirens on, the van swerved and hit curb. They're separated and reports taken. Both of their stories aligned. She admits to causing him (driver) to swerve because she was punching his arm. She admitted to slapping him outside the bar because she wanted him to stop telling her to calm down. Some guy named Chris who witnessed it reported them fearing a DV situation.

She was escorted to back of one police SUV, he was asked to stand outside. She was allowed to call her parents and she sobbed the entire hour while things were being sorted out. Officer Robinson offered them an alternative to filing a domestic dispute violation against HER. Took pics of his scratches on neck and hand. Suggested they separate for the night. I'm also shocked he sent Brian to a hotel and sent her off in van with cool down instrux and no contact until morning. She asked officer if hotel was close because she doesn't drive long distance alone. He refused to tell her the name of hotel, but assured her it was just a few minutes away. Not sure where she set off to. That part wasn't clear. The part that was clear is she remained on her phone with mom or dad or both the entire time.

The officer driove Brian to hotel, and they had a casual, friendly chat in SUV. It was a little too personal imo. I imagine Officer Robinson is overwhelmed with guilt and possibly very involved on the Colorado side of investigation.

Did she actually call? I feel so bad for her parents. Note to parents: if your young adult daughter ever calls you sobbing about domestic violence and a police visit, hop on a plane to collect her asap. Do not let her return to her abuser. He will probably try to kill her eventually.

I'm not saying he didn't abuse her, but in the police video she was the one who almost got them into an accident, and she was the one who made him bleed. There were no marks on her and she said he didn't hit her. She did say he grabbed her face though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without requoting, I'll answer pp questions since I watched bodycam vid in entirety.

Yes, there was a married couple shot to death in same area on a local trail/camping site. The oddest thing is Gabby and Brian were arguing outside a bar or establishment where one of the murdered women was employed. Someone contacted police because their fight outside escalated to her attempting to slap him, he blocked it and she scratched him.

Police tailed the van which was speeding. Sirens on, the van swerved and hit curb. They're separated and reports taken. Both of their stories aligned. She admits to causing him (driver) to swerve because she was punching his arm. She admitted to slapping him outside the bar because she wanted him to stop telling her to calm down. Some guy named Chris who witnessed it reported them fearing a DV situation.

She was escorted to back of one police SUV, he was asked to stand outside. She was allowed to call her parents and she sobbed the entire hour while things were being sorted out. Officer Robinson offered them an alternative to filing a domestic dispute violation against HER. Took pics of his scratches on neck and hand. Suggested they separate for the night. I'm also shocked he sent Brian to a hotel and sent her off in van with cool down instrux and no contact until morning. She asked officer if hotel was close because she doesn't drive long distance alone. He refused to tell her the name of hotel, but assured her it was just a few minutes away. Not sure where she set off to. That part wasn't clear. The part that was clear is she remained on her phone with mom or dad or both the entire time.

The officer driove Brian to hotel, and they had a casual, friendly chat in SUV. It was a little too personal imo. I imagine Officer Robinson is overwhelmed with guilt and possibly very involved on the Colorado side of investigation.

Did she actually call? I feel so bad for her parents. Note to parents: if your young adult daughter ever calls you sobbing about domestic violence and a police visit, hop on a plane to collect her asap. Do not let her return to her abuser. He will probably try to kill her eventually.

It was the opposite. She was the abuser and he was the victim in the domestic violence call.

But yes, if your child is having a mental breakdown and cops are called- go get her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without requoting, I'll answer pp questions since I watched bodycam vid in entirety.

Yes, there was a married couple shot to death in same area on a local trail/camping site. The oddest thing is Gabby and Brian were arguing outside a bar or establishment where one of the murdered women was employed. Someone contacted police because their fight outside escalated to her attempting to slap him, he blocked it and she scratched him.

Police tailed the van which was speeding. Sirens on, the van swerved and hit curb. They're separated and reports taken. Both of their stories aligned. She admits to causing him (driver) to swerve because she was punching his arm. She admitted to slapping him outside the bar because she wanted him to stop telling her to calm down. Some guy named Chris who witnessed it reported them fearing a DV situation.

She was escorted to back of one police SUV, he was asked to stand outside. She was allowed to call her parents and she sobbed the entire hour while things were being sorted out. Officer Robinson offered them an alternative to filing a domestic dispute violation against HER. Took pics of his scratches on neck and hand. Suggested they separate for the night. I'm also shocked he sent Brian to a hotel and sent her off in van with cool down instrux and no contact until morning. She asked officer if hotel was close because she doesn't drive long distance alone. He refused to tell her the name of hotel, but assured her it was just a few minutes away. Not sure where she set off to. That part wasn't clear. The part that was clear is she remained on her phone with mom or dad or both the entire time.

The officer driove Brian to hotel, and they had a casual, friendly chat in SUV. It was a little too personal imo. I imagine Officer Robinson is overwhelmed with guilt and possibly very involved on the Colorado side of investigation.

Did she actually call? I feel so bad for her parents. Note to parents: if your young adult daughter ever calls you sobbing about domestic violence and a police visit, hop on a plane to collect her asap. Do not let her return to her abuser. He will probably try to kill her eventually.

I'm not saying he didn't abuse her, but in the police video she was the one who almost got them into an accident, and she was the one who made him bleed. There were no marks on her and she said he didn't hit her. She did say he grabbed her face though.

It was a 15 mph zone and he sped up to 45mph. Maybe he hit the curb because she was trying to get him to pull over while he was speeding up. She was crying a lot and seemed truthful and not holding back. He seemed to be lying.

[Anonymous]

Btw I could see in the video he was born in 87 (awesome redactions police!). He’s 33 (34 in November)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are just waiting for his confession.

Even if he didn't kill her, he abandoned her somewhere and maybe with someone. How can you come home and not even report that she is missing.

Is this one of those crazy stories that comes out later as she ran away with some dude and was left behind. So, he went home and don't bother reporting it.

She probably killed herself.

She was clearly quite mentally ill from her behavior in that video.

If she killed herself, it explains exactly why her boyfriend is behaving the way he is and wisely listening to his lawyer.

I would vote to acquit (if it even goes that far).

then why wouldn't he call her parents after he discovered the body? Or even just his? Why would he tell no one and drive HER van across the country to FL without talking to anyone about what happened?

Who just leaves the body of their loved one behind, like it's nothing and no big deal, if they really had nothing to do with their death?

He can't rule out the possibility that she abandoned the vehicle and he flew out to pick it up. He may have no idea where she is.

So many unknowns right now. The police will get ahold of their text and social media messages and piece together the story. I wouldn't talk either, if I was in his shoes and truly innocent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw I could see in the video he was born in 87 (awesome redactions police!). He’s 33 (34 in November)

I don't think that's possible. They went to high school together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police response in the video is coloring some people's view of what's going on. As someone said in another discussion:

One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle.

Gabby's "fawning" behavior really stood out to me.

YES.

It's amazing to read this thread and see how many people do not see what is really going on. Those people likely do not have experience with this kind of awful thing and they are lucky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police response in the video is coloring some people's view of what's going on. As someone said in another discussion:

One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle.

Gabby's "fawning" behavior really stood out to me.

YES.

It's amazing to read this thread and see how many people do not see what is really going on. Those people likely do not have experience with this kind of awful thing and they are lucky.

+2

[Anonymous]

Thank goodness for that person who stepped forward to call the police. Otherwise we would have no insight into what was going on between them.

From reading the report, that she expressed a fear that he would drive off in the van without her. I am wondering if he tried to do this, then accidentally ran over her or fatally injured her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without requoting, I'll answer pp questions since I watched bodycam vid in entirety.

Yes, there was a married couple shot to death in same area on a local trail/camping site. The oddest thing is Gabby and Brian were arguing outside a bar or establishment where one of the murdered women was employed. Someone contacted police because their fight outside escalated to her attempting to slap him, he blocked it and she scratched him.

Police tailed the van which was speeding. Sirens on, the van swerved and hit curb. They're separated and reports taken. Both of their stories aligned. She admits to causing him (driver) to swerve because she was punching his arm. She admitted to slapping him outside the bar because she wanted him to stop telling her to calm down. Some guy named Chris who witnessed it reported them fearing a DV situation.

She was escorted to back of one police SUV, he was asked to stand outside. She was allowed to call her parents and she sobbed the entire hour while things were being sorted out. Officer Robinson offered them an alternative to filing a domestic dispute violation against HER. Took pics of his scratches on neck and hand. Suggested they separate for the night. I'm also shocked he sent Brian to a hotel and sent her off in van with cool down instrux and no contact until morning. She asked officer if hotel was close because she doesn't drive long distance alone. He refused to tell her the name of hotel, but assured her it was just a few minutes away. Not sure where she set off to. That part wasn't clear. The part that was clear is she remained on her phone with mom or dad or both the entire time.

The officer driove Brian to hotel, and they had a casual, friendly chat in SUV. It was a little too personal imo. I imagine Officer Robinson is overwhelmed with guilt and possibly very involved on the Colorado side of investigation.

Did she actually call? I feel so bad for her parents. Note to parents: if your young adult daughter ever calls you sobbing about domestic violence and a police visit, hop on a plane to collect her asap. Do not let her return to her abuser. He will probably try to kill her eventually.

Apparently she did because her mother addressed the police incident as just an argument between a couple that's been traveling in close quarters (van) for months. She really made it out to be no big deal. It's a little strange because her daughter was hysterical the entire time. But both sets of parents obviously must know that their kid have anxiety and OCD (Gabby admitted severe OCD to officer). Brian admitted to officers that they both struggled with anxiety, he specifically said her anxiety was more severe than his, and neither were medicated for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without requoting, I'll answer pp questions since I watched bodycam vid in entirety.

Yes, there was a married couple shot to death in same area on a local trail/camping site. The oddest thing is Gabby and Brian were arguing outside a bar or establishment where one of the murdered women was employed. Someone contacted police because their fight outside escalated to her attempting to slap him, he blocked it and she scratched him.

Police tailed the van which was speeding. Sirens on, the van swerved and hit curb. They're separated and reports taken. Both of their stories aligned. She admits to causing him (driver) to swerve because she was punching his arm. She admitted to slapping him outside the bar because she wanted him to stop telling her to calm down. Some guy named Chris who witnessed it reported them fearing a DV situation.

She was escorted to back of one police SUV, he was asked to stand outside. She was allowed to call her parents and she sobbed the entire hour while things were being sorted out. Officer Robinson offered them an alternative to filing a domestic dispute violation against HER. Took pics of his scratches on neck and hand. Suggested they separate for the night. I'm also shocked he sent Brian to a hotel and sent her off in van with cool down instrux and no contact until morning. She asked officer if hotel was close because she doesn't drive long distance alone. He refused to tell her the name of hotel, but assured her it was just a few minutes away. Not sure where she set off to. That part wasn't clear. The part that was clear is she remained on her phone with mom or dad or both the entire time.

The officer driove Brian to hotel, and they had a casual, friendly chat in SUV. It was a little too personal imo. I imagine Officer Robinson is overwhelmed with guilt and possibly very involved on the Colorado side of investigation.

Did she actually call? I feel so bad for her parents. Note to parents: if your young adult daughter ever calls you sobbing about domestic violence and a police visit, hop on a plane to collect her asap. Do not let her return to her abuser. He will probably try to kill her eventually.

Apparently she did because her mother addressed the police incident as just an argument between a couple that's been traveling in close quarters (van) for months. She really made it out to be no big deal. It's a little strange because her daughter was hysterical the entire time. But both sets of parents obviously must know that their kid have anxiety and OCD (Gabby admitted severe OCD to officer). Brian admitted to officers that they both struggled with anxiety, he specifically said her anxiety was more severe than his, and neither were medicated for it.

Pp again. One more thing. Gabby was the domestic abuser in this situation. That's how the officers treat this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police response in the video is coloring some people's view of what's going on. As someone said in another discussion:

One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle.

Gabby's "fawning" behavior really stood out to me.

YES.

It's amazing to read this thread and see how many people do not see what is really going on. Those people likely do not have experience with this kind of awful thing and they are lucky.

+2

+3
He did not look worried about his safety at all.
Also on her Instagram post it seems possible the last set of photos were posted by him. They are from a location of a prior setting. She is wearing orange and black specifically for that. She would not have randomly posted carefully done Halloween photos in August and wished her followers Happy Halloween. She was probably saving them for October. It is possible her last texts and posts were done by him and that means he has a lot to hide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The boyfriend has lawyer'd up and refuses to cooperate with police. If I had to guess, the police are likely focusing on retracing the GPS history of their phones.

People like this always have their phones on them.

I don't understand why guilty people do this and think it will work and they will get away with it.

Because sometimes it DOES work.
Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.

Refusing to cooperate with police is not something an innocent person does.

Yep. This is not “we broke up and I dropped her off in the next town”. This is now a recovery operation.

Exactly. They were supposedly heading to Yellowstone at the end of August, and then her family didn't hear from her again. And all of a sudden their "van life" trip is cut short because he shows up all the way back in FL with the van, but without her, and it was her mother who reported her missing, not him.

I mean, I don't have a hard time believing this dude killed her because "it's always the husband." But, also, if they did simply break up and he doesn't know what happened to her, that's not weird either. So many things could have happened to her after they separated. It's not that weird that he showed up in FL on h is own and didn't contact her family.

Except he took the van, which belonged to her family. If they can't get him for murder, I hope her family at least gets him for theft of vehicle.