Valor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

What do you think the main reason for that was? Was there a big coaching shift? Did the U10s not perform well last year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

What do you think the main reason for that was? Was there a big coaching shift? Did the U10s not perform well last year?

The coaching and favoritism is really bad. Families leave after one year for other clubs/programs. They consistently year after year have heavy turnover. They pipeline up rec kids heavily at u10 and the parents don't know any better. Once they realize it's a money grab club the families leave.

[Anonymous]

Valor’s 2010 girls are decent. 5th place in RL with a positive goal differential.

- Not a Valor Parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

They lost 8 players from 4 teams, 5 of which were from the Daddy ball team. Losing 3 players from your remaining 3 teams being referred to as “not that great” is an ignorant statement.

When 90% of the pp’s who returned have yet to see similar growth, development, and or results compared to last season they start trying to figure out why through 7-10 pages of this thread related to the teams in this division.

Keep in mind, your experience through a season is not your dd’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

They lost 8 players from 4 teams, 5 of which were from the Daddy ball team. Losing 3 players from your remaining 3 teams being referred to as “not that great” is an ignorant statement.

When 90% of the pp’s who returned have yet to see similar growth, development, and or results compared to last season they start trying to figure out why through 7-10 pages of this thread related to the teams in this division.

Keep in mind, your experience through a season is not your dd’s.

Maybe it’s a talent issue and not a development issue? I don’t hear much about “top” valor teams of any kind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

They lost 8 players from 4 teams, 5 of which were from the Daddy ball team. Losing 3 players from your remaining 3 teams being referred to as “not that great” is an ignorant statement.

When 90% of the pp’s who returned have yet to see similar growth, development, and or results compared to last season they start trying to figure out why through 7-10 pages of this thread related to the teams in this division.

Keep in mind, your experience through a season is not your dd’s.

It was not 3 players for 3 teams. ROFL I know players on the first and second team 2014g at Valor and this is 100% not true. When parents are new and told to 'trust the process' while they are continually losing to teams they should be easily beating, and would have last year. First team is doing ok but the second is a mess and the parents who stayed are already looking to jump ship from the decline in player quality for their second team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, just noticed they have four teams on the girls U10. That's hilarious and sad. The bottom two teams must be truly terrible.

Valor girls side teams are generally not good even the "gold" or "pre-ecnl" teams.

They had that last year too. They couldn't hold that many players for u11 this year and the second team is BAD. Retention past u10 on the girl's side is really hard, especially good players. Their top team picked up second team players from clubs like VRSC, which didn't even have a second team until last spring. Yikes. doesn't look good imo even if they somehow managed some wins this season in pre-ecnl.

Don't most clubs collapse in team count when going from 7v7 to 9v9 rosters (then again at 11v11)?

Yes, the number of returning players from U10 to U11 was not that great.

They lost 8 players from 4 teams, 5 of which were from the Daddy ball team. Losing 3 players from your remaining 3 teams being referred to as “not that great” is an ignorant statement.

When 90% of the pp’s who returned have yet to see similar growth, development, and or results compared to last season they start trying to figure out why through 7-10 pages of this thread related to the teams in this division.

Keep in mind, your experience through a season is not your dd’s.

It was not 3 players for 3 teams. ROFL I know players on the first and second team 2014g at Valor and this is 100% not true. When parents are new and told to 'trust the process' while they are continually losing to teams they should be easily beating, and would have last year. First team is doing ok but the second is a mess and the parents who stayed are already looking to jump ship from the decline in player quality for their second team.

It was two players from top team (one to level out into her age group). One who left was moved down from top team to second team. I think one left the second team, not sure why but she was also moved from first to second team during the season. The new players who came in are quite good and actually came from TSJ North, which disbanded mid year last year, so they couldn’t be on the first team for VRSC. Nevertheless, not sure why anyone cares. Just focus on your own team/ kid and if you aren’t happy with where you are then leave. Stop making stuff up and blatantly lying. Everyone knows you wear a size 6 shoe, especially your wife.

[Anonymous]

None of this is surprising, we know the girls who left for travel in 3rd and 4th grade and they weren't the best on the rec team, they were just the most popular. IME Valor is just a popularity & display of wealth contest.

[Anonymous]

PP again (that's for girls, I don't know about boys, I only have girls and they play CYA rec)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of this is surprising, we know the girls who left for travel in 3rd and 4th grade and they weren't the best on the rec team, they were just the most popular. IME Valor is just a popularity & display of wealth contest.

Not really about popularity, they take literally every girl who tries out and just make more teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of this is surprising, we know the girls who left for travel in 3rd and 4th grade and they weren't the best on the rec team, they were just the most popular. IME Valor is just a popularity & display of wealth contest.

Not really about popularity, they take literally every girl who tries out and just make more teams.

They spent the spring and into summer cold calling families who ever showed any interest in the club trying to fill holes on rosters and it shows heavily this year. We got called and texted numerous times by coaches and so did others we know. It's unfortunate because there are many families who love the location of the club but don't want to pay for bad coaching/training. They care more about lining pockets stacking as make teams as possible than finding quality coaches.

[Anonymous]

Complete opposing example, My DS plays SYC pre mlns second team and took a beating from Valor pre ECNL this past weekend at the Bethesda tournament. They were impressive and can maybe go even with our first team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complete opposing example, My DS plays SYC pre mlns second team and took a beating from Valor pre ECNL this past weekend at the Bethesda tournament. They were impressive and can maybe go even with our first team.

Why would you think your second team could beat their first team to start with?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of this is surprising, we know the girls who left for travel in 3rd and 4th grade and they weren't the best on the rec team, they were just the most popular. IME Valor is just a popularity & display of wealth contest.

Not really about popularity, they take literally every girl who tries out and just make more teams.

They spent the spring and into summer cold calling families who ever showed any interest in the club trying to fill holes on rosters and it shows heavily this year. We got called and texted numerous times by coaches and so did others we know. It's unfortunate because there are many families who love the location of the club but don't want to pay for bad coaching/training. They care more about lining pockets stacking as make teams as possible than finding quality coaches.

Agree 100%. My child was offered a spot on a third team. We weren't thrilled but would have considered it because it was a better location for us, if they had a strong coach present at the tryouts. They wanted parent to sign up for the team and pay $3000 without a coach hired. In fact I heard from another family a coach was not hired until mid-summer and coach is exactly what you would expect from someone scrounged up after all the good coaches were hired.