Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

Yeah? You want more details? How about a fourth-floor tenement walk-up, watered down soup for dinner, the "steam" turned on only for four hours a day so the family froze the rest of the day (and night), and hand-me:down clothes from cousins. That is not white privilege.

(And as far as a filthy apartment, why didn't your family do better keeping it clean? My family was dirt-poor but did the best they could to keep it clean.)

That was the landlord's issues since there were cockroaches everywhere. We all got hand me downs, too. You think a family living in poor conditions could afford brand new clothes. FFS. This is becoming a pissing contest of "who grew up poorer".

Here's something a white person won't have to worry about, no matter your income level that a black person has to worry about:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/yale-responds-white-student-calls-police-napping-black/story?id=55060171

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/illinois-student-charged-hate-crime-after-noose-found-hanging-dorm-n1049606

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/05/04/duke-announces-results-investigation-noose-found-campus

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/us/stanford-investigation-noose/index.html

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/umd-students-hold-march-sit-in-protest-after-noose-found-at-fraternity-house

Even in "liberal" states, there is racism. I can only imagine the type of racism that black students have to deal with in the conservative state that don't value civil rights.

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

There are countless kids of every color and race living as you described. The ones who also happen to be white and impoverished are not privileged.

Again, you don't understand what white privilege means. You don't have to ever worry about being racially profiled by the cops or store owners; a poor white person is treated better by our judicial system than a black person

A rich black person can still be racially profiled by stores than a not so rich white person. A middle income black man can't get cabs to stop for him, while a poor white person would have no problem getting a cab to stop.

It's not about how there are some poor white people who struggle financially, but that white people, no matter their income level, will never have to struggle with the aforementioned issues. Get it?

What does any of that have to do with academics and college admissions?

(And ask anyone who has ever worked retail about profiling: class plays an element. How you dress, the purse you carry, the brands you display, and your manicure convey class to retail workers, and they most certainly do profile poor looking whites. Ditto for cops and the car you drive.)

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

So tell me, oh ye liberal who calls everyone a racist.....what was possibly racist about my comment above? It was taken from a real-life example.

You, OTOH, are resistant to acknowledging that the poor white kid deserves the chance he earned.

“Real life example”? Sounded more like a steaming heap of racist stereotypes.

Yes, real life - with the result of a life- changing experience for a hard-working, intelligent, and motivated poor white kid WHO DESERVED THAT CHANCE.

But you still haven't said what's racist in my post, or what supposed racist stereotypes you are reading into it. And be careful....your answer will reveal your own racism. So, do tell.

Year? Location? Which street corner? How did you measure motivation and intelligence?

What's with all these questions, and what do they have to do with race?

But to answer, since I'm curious as to how you'll twist this around to make it racist: the year was 1940-something; the location NYC; the precise street corner, who knows....somewhere in a poor section of East New York. As far as measuring motivation, the boy who comes straight home to study until dinner rather than play stickball and do boyish pranks because he wants to ace his Regents exam and get to college is MORE MOTIVATED to get to college than the kids playing stickball and doing pranks. (Watch....the liberal will argue that point.) And as far as intelligence, the boy who took calculus and physics in high school while his classmates struggled through algebra and biology is more intelligent.

That impoverished boy DESERVES the chance he earned - to go to college and get to the middle-class - rather than having it taken away from him by someone with poorer grades, lower admission scores, and, quite possible, more family money. The fact that he DID get to college, and his hard work and scholastic achievements and sacrifice paid off, is precisely before it was before the days of AA. Now if the AA policies were changed to being SES-based, he'd still get in. But as it stands now, he likely would have been "bumped" for a lower-achieving kid of the "correct" color.

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Anonymous wrote:Do the black and brown children of the kardashians, professional athletes and other wealthy celebrities really need the boost of affirmative action? Of course not.

Now please explain why the black and brown children of no-name but affluent CEOs, doctors, lawyers, etc. who attend private schools do? Or even those in excellent public schools with affluent parents?

What about kids who fall under the minority status but were adopted and raised by affluent whites?

Socioeconomics trump race when it comes to academics and privilege. Or do you truly believe that minority kids raised by wealthy parents who attend excellent schools truly aren't genetically equipped to achieve academically on par with their white counterparts? If you believe that, then perhaps *you* should check your white privilege.

The privileged don't want to give up their privileges.

Black millionaires and billionaires unite!

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

So tell me, oh ye liberal who calls everyone a racist.....what was possibly racist about my comment above? It was taken from a real-life example.

You, OTOH, are resistant to acknowledging that the poor white kid deserves the chance he earned.

“Real life example”? Sounded more like a steaming heap of racist stereotypes.

Yes, real life - with the result of a life- changing experience for a hard-working, intelligent, and motivated poor white kid WHO DESERVED THAT CHANCE.

But you still haven't said what's racist in my post, or what supposed racist stereotypes you are reading into it. And be careful....your answer will reveal your own racism. So, do tell.

Year? Location? Which street corner? How did you measure motivation and intelligence?

What's with all these questions, and what do they have to do with race?

But to answer, since I'm curious as to how you'll twist this around to make it racist: the year was 1940-something; the location NYC; the precise street corner, who knows....somewhere in a poor section of East New York. As far as measuring motivation, the boy who comes straight home to study until dinner rather than play stickball and do boyish pranks because he wants to ace his Regents exam and get to college is MORE MOTIVATED to get to college than the kids playing stickball and doing pranks. (Watch....the liberal will argue that point.) And as far as intelligence, the boy who took calculus and physics in high school while his classmates struggled through algebra and biology is more intelligent.

That impoverished boy DESERVES the chance he earned - to go to college and get to the middle-class - rather than having it taken away from him by someone with poorer grades, lower admission scores, and, quite possible, more family money. The fact that he DID get to college, and his hard work and scholastic achievements and sacrifice paid off, is precisely before it was before the days of AA. Now if the AA policies were changed to being SES-based, he'd still get in. But as it stands now, he likely would have been "bumped" for a lower-achieving kid of the "correct" color.

But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

There are countless kids of every color and race living as you described. The ones who also happen to be white and impoverished are not privileged.

Again, you don't understand what white privilege means. You don't have to ever worry about being racially profiled by the cops or store owners; a poor white person is treated better by our judicial system than a black person

A rich black person can still be racially profiled by stores than a not so rich white person. A middle income black man can't get cabs to stop for him, while a poor white person would have no problem getting a cab to stop.

It's not about how there are some poor white people who struggle financially, but that white people, no matter their income level, will never have to struggle with the aforementioned issues. Get it?

What does any of that have to do with academics and college admissions?

(And ask anyone who has ever worked retail about profiling: class plays an element. How you dress, the purse you carry, the brands you display, and your manicure convey class to retail workers, and they most certainly do profile poor looking whites. Ditto for cops and the car you drive.)

Nope. You can be dressed really nicely and still be profiled.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/28/barneys-racial-profiling-shopping-while-black

It has to do with white privilege in general, and that includes jobs, which is the end goal for most people who go to college. Resumes with white sounding names get a call back at a rate higher than the same resumes with black sounding names.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23/516823230/asian-last-names-lead-to-fewer-job-interviews-still

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/15/jalen-ross/black-name-resume-50-percent-less-likely-get-respo/

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But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

The rich white kid's parents will use their connections to get jr. a high paying job. No one needs to worry about the future of the rich white kid.

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But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

The rich white kid's parents will use their connections to get jr. a high paying job. No one needs to worry about the future of the rich white kid.

Maybe we should worry about a society that allows the use of connections in such a grotesque way.

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But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

The rich white kid's parents will use their connections to get jr. a high paying job. No one needs to worry about the future of the rich white kid.

Maybe we should worry about a society that allows the use of connections in such a grotesque way.

You realize that nepotism is pervasive across all races and income levels, don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:The tears continue to flow. Clearly somebody's mediocre kid got rejected from UVA/UMD and is blaming the handful of black kids walking around campus.

The school year has just begun so there will be more than a handful walking around the campus. After they flunk out at the end of the first semester, there will be far fewer.

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But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

The rich white kid's parents will use their connections to get jr. a high paying job. No one needs to worry about the future of the rich white kid.

So it’s ok for the poor kids to take spots from rich kids, no matter how hard the rich kids study or how bright they are?

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But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

The rich white kid's parents will use their connections to get jr. a high paying job. No one needs to worry about the future of the rich white kid.

So it’s ok for the poor kids to take spots from rich kids, no matter how hard the rich kids study or how bright they are?

Is it ok that rich kids can buy their way into elite schools and use their family connections to get high paying jobs simply because it was a luck of the draw who their parents are?

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

There are countless kids of every color and race living as you described. The ones who also happen to be white and impoverished are not privileged.

Again, you don't understand what white privilege means. You don't have to ever worry about being racially profiled by the cops or store owners; a poor white person is treated better by our judicial system than a black person

A rich black person can still be racially profiled by stores than a not so rich white person. A middle income black man can't get cabs to stop for him, while a poor white person would have no problem getting a cab to stop.

It's not about how there are some poor white people who struggle financially, but that white people, no matter their income level, will never have to struggle with the aforementioned issues. Get it?

What does any of that have to do with academics and college admissions?

(And ask anyone who has ever worked retail about profiling: class plays an element. How you dress, the purse you carry, the brands you display, and your manicure convey class to retail workers, and they most certainly do profile poor looking whites. Ditto for cops and the car you drive.)

Nope. You can be dressed really nicely and still be profiled.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/28/barneys-racial-profiling-shopping-while-black

It has to do with white privilege in general, and that includes jobs, which is the end goal for most people who go to college. Resumes with white sounding names get a call back at a rate higher than the same resumes with black sounding names.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23/516823230/asian-last-names-lead-to-fewer-job-interviews-still

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/15/jalen-ross/black-name-resume-50-percent-less-likely-get-respo/

When 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes then you get profiled. Why not drill down on why that level of criminality exists instead of whining about the results. These are DOJ statistics BTW.....go look them up.

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But what about the rich white kid who was also motivated and intelligent and only scored a tiny bit higher than the poor kid? Why should the poor kid steal the rich kid's spot?

The rich white kid's parents will use their connections to get jr. a high paying job. No one needs to worry about the future of the rich white kid.

So it’s ok for the poor kids to take spots from rich kids, no matter how hard the rich kids study or how bright they are?

Is it ok that rich kids can buy their way into elite schools and use their family connections to get high paying jobs simply because it was a luck of the draw who their parents are?

Is it OK that many URM kids won’t have the same resources & opportunities as majority kids from 0-18 and will face many obstacles to succeed simply because it was a luck of the draw who their parents are?

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

There are countless kids of every color and race living as you described. The ones who also happen to be white and impoverished are not privileged.

Again, you don't understand what white privilege means. You don't have to ever worry about being racially profiled by the cops or store owners; a poor white person is treated better by our judicial system than a black person

A rich black person can still be racially profiled by stores than a not so rich white person. A middle income black man can't get cabs to stop for him, while a poor white person would have no problem getting a cab to stop.

It's not about how there are some poor white people who struggle financially, but that white people, no matter their income level, will never have to struggle with the aforementioned issues. Get it?

Yes, I absolutely do get white privilege, if you mean upper middle class and wealthy whites. Either you've never lived in a place with truly poor white families or you're intentionally being obtuse. They are indeed profiled by police and are often looked down upon and quietly denied housing and bank loans. Get it?