US vs Thailand

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So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

Yes they shouldn't have celebrated like that. Classless

Then have FIFA write in the rules what celebrations can be done.

Football did away with spiking the football and dancing in the end zone. Soccer could limit expressions of celebrations.

Do you think all of the celebrations were inappropriate? Does this hold for all the goal celebrations across all the teams, or just the US team?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone seems to be blowing off the fact that Thailand won 11-0 in a continental competition just last year.

Because it ruins the narrative that high scoring just isn't done.

It doesn't happen often. It does happen. And the rules explain why it happens. But I strongly suspect most of the people kvetching know nothing about soccer, given the way the conversation has gone from "they shouldn't have kept scoring!" to "celebrating is rude!"

GOALS WERE FINE!

CELEBRATIONS WERE UNNECESSARY!

Repeat to yourself.

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There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone seems to be blowing off the fact that Thailand won 11-0 in a continental competition just last year.

Because it ruins the narrative that high scoring just isn't done.

It doesn't happen often. It does happen. And the rules explain why it happens. But I strongly suspect most of the people kvetching know nothing about soccer, given the way the conversation has gone from "they shouldn't have kept scoring!" to "celebrating is rude!"

GOALS WERE FINE!

CELEBRATIONS WERE UNNECESSARY!

Repeat to yourself.

Give up, people posting here are idiots.

[Anonymous]

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So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

Yes they shouldn't have celebrated like that. Classless

Then have FIFA write in the rules what celebrations can be done.

Football did away with spiking the football and dancing in the end zone. Soccer could limit expressions of celebrations.

Do you think all of the celebrations were inappropriate? Does this hold for all the goal celebrations across all the teams, or just the US team?

No rules need to be made. They acted immaturely and crass. That came from within and showed who they are on the inside without being controlled by a rule. They chose how they acted.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

It has always been they should not have celebrated THAT excessively at that point in the game. It wasn't about the number of goals, it was ALWAYS about the exuberance over each goal past the point of the game being competitive. The game was long past being competitive by the time leg fart was whipped out.

So you don't think Rapinoe should have celebrated like that. Were the other celebrations acceptable?

If you think some celebrations are over the top, why do you think FIFA hasn't made rules against them? Why do you think the players, specifically the US team, should not celebrate within the bounds of the rules?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a misogynist? Running up the score against a weak opponent is criticized in men’s sports all the time. You need to take off your pink hat and start seeing the real world. They could have played possession on their side of the field and killed the clock. You see it all the time in soccer. After 5 goals and totally dominating the play, you pull off. It’s not the players fault, more the manager’s. There are a lot of questions for the manager of this that are not being asked. It’s not like they are starting the best players or strongest line up. Rapinoe is way past her prime. Dunn in the back? It looks like marketing concerns are dictating who starts and where. So maybe you could compromise a little more and not humiliate a team/country like that? Guess not...but it should be talked about.

I wish the coverage of this tournament was more like what we saw in the men’s World Cup. I really find it disrespectful to the players and audience when the “analysts” talk about the goal celebration vs how the goal was created.

“You need to take off your pink hat and start seeing the real world.” Oh my. No sexism in that statement at all.

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So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

Yes they shouldn't have celebrated like that. Classless

Then have FIFA write in the rules what celebrations can be done.

Football did away with spiking the football and dancing in the end zone. Soccer could limit expressions of celebrations.

Do you think all of the celebrations were inappropriate? Does this hold for all the goal celebrations across all the teams, or just the US team?

There are rules about this. It was discussed (did you watch the game?)

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

It has always been they should not have celebrated THAT excessively at that point in the game. It wasn't about the number of goals, it was ALWAYS about the exuberance over each goal past the point of the game being competitive. The game was long past being competitive by the time leg fart was whipped out.

So you don't think Rapinoe should have celebrated like that. Were the other celebrations acceptable?

If you think some celebrations are over the top, why do you think FIFA hasn't made rules against them? Why do you think the players, specifically the US team, should not celebrate within the bounds of the rules?

I'll put it this way. You just went up 9 goals on the last seeded team in a group stage as the defending champions. Exactly what are you celebrating?

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Anonymous wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference is a good read for those of us who aren't familiar with the concept.

And for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tactful#English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

Then take it up with FIFA. The rules make goal differential matter. If it's bad sportsmanship to score N goals over your opponent, then the rules shouldn't require bad sportsmanship. The rules aren't carved in a stone tablet that can never be changed. The rules can be changed. That they haven't been changed to this point is all the counterpoint I need to your "sportsmanship" claims.

We should be better behaved than needing a rule to tell us how to behave. How they ACTED after scoring beyond the point of a competitive game was disappointing. There are no rules to guide their behavior and they had a choice of how to react and in my opinion their exuberant celebrations were childish at best. #legfart #respectthegame

Have you ever watched soccer?
Over the top celebrations are standard at such high level games. This is not a single first pump is the standard. Football had to write rules to tone down celebrations. Soccer players should just know better?

The players are respecting the rules of the game. If the people running the games don't like what's happening, they have the power to change it.

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

If they need 13 GOALS they are not good. That is the only point and the only takeaway.

Or, if they need 13 goals, then Thailand was completely outmatched and good for them for giving it a try.

We won't know until Sweden plays Thailand. Then you might find out that 13 goals was a good number. Or not enough. Or overkill. But since none of us can see into the future, the best our soccer players can do is play as hard as they can, as well as they can.

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They are all trying to have their Brandi Chastain Moment....it's annoying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

You can erase Sweden's 20 goal differential by winning your games. Simple.

But if Sweden goes up 20, then going up 13 isn't some crime.

Hmmm.

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ITS NOT ABOUT GOALS!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

If they need 13 GOALS they are not good. That is the only point and the only takeaway.

Or, if they need 13 goals, then Thailand was completely outmatched and good for them for giving it a try.

We won't know until Sweden plays Thailand. Then you might find out that 13 goals was a good number. Or not enough. Or overkill. But since none of us can see into the future, the best our soccer players can do is play as hard as they can, as well as they can.

Nobody has criticized the outcome or how they played. They have been criticized for how they ACTED