US vs Thailand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference is a good read for those of us who aren't familiar with the concept.

And for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tactful#English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

Then take it up with FIFA. The rules make goal differential matter. If it's bad sportsmanship to score N goals over your opponent, then the rules shouldn't require bad sportsmanship. The rules aren't carved in a stone tablet that can never be changed. The rules can be changed. That they haven't been changed to this point is all the counterpoint I need to your "sportsmanship" claims.

We should be better behaved than needing a rule to tell us how to behave. How they ACTED after scoring beyond the point of a competitive game was disappointing. There are no rules to guide their behavior and they had a choice of how to react and in my opinion their exuberant celebrations were childish at best. #legfart #respectthegame

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument just goes to show you can’t teach the concept of “class” to everyone. Some people are good sportsmen and classy, others aren’t. By the time people hit their 30’s they seem to get very set in their ways. So we end up with some who are classy, others who aren’t. Both feel they are “right.”

I don’t think the issue here is whether some people are “classy” and others are not. There is a legitimate difference of opinion here so let’s all please refrain from ad hominem attacks.

An observation is not an ad hominem attack. The excessive celebrations did not display sportsmanship or “class.” It’s just a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP - What is the real concern here? Are those of you who believe the women didn’t act appropriately (whatever that means to you) concerned that it reflects badly on our country as a whole or is it something else? Really curious as to why everyone is so worked up?

If after 12 pages in you still don't understand the difference between class, humility and dignity then it can't be explained now.

Ah the irony. These women apparently affronted your personal belief system about “class, humility and dignity” and yet you then go on to personally attack a poster.

It wasn't an attack just restating that the point has been well covered and no explaining it differently now will make them understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

Pretty sure all of Ronaldo’s pelvic thrusting after scoring isn’t too classy either.

Yes, so be better than Ronaldo, especially after 9 goals.

Pointing out that there seems to be a double standard here with the obsession over how the women chose to celebrate their goals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

If they need 13 GOALS they are not good. That is the only point and the only takeaway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a misogynist? Running up the score against a weak opponent is criticized in men’s sports all the time. You need to take off your pink hat and start seeing the real world. They could have played possession on their side of the field and killed the clock. You see it all the time in soccer. After 5 goals and totally dominating the play, you pull off. It’s not the players fault, more the manager’s. There are a lot of questions for the manager of this that are not being asked. It’s not like they are starting the best players or strongest line up. Rapinoe is way past her prime. Dunn in the back? It looks like marketing concerns are dictating who starts and where. So maybe you could compromise a little more and not humiliate a team/country like that? Guess not...but it should be talked about.

I wish the coverage of this tournament was more like what we saw in the men’s World Cup. I really find it disrespectful to the players and audience when the “analysts” talk about the goal celebration vs how the goal was created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

You can erase Sweden's 20 goal differential by winning your games. Simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

DP. What’s ridiculous is you making an argument for an anonymous poster when you have no idea how they would respond in that situation.

The people on the sportsmanship side of this discussion would have been fine with a 20-0 score, done in a dignified way. No flying out of the box with leg farts all the way.

I am a big supporter of our national teams, but it’s within our right to call out this kind of behavior when we see it. I understand that you feel that celebrating wildly is OK. I do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone seems to be blowing off the fact that Thailand won 11-0 in a continental competition just last year.

Because it ruins the narrative that high scoring just isn't done.

It doesn't happen often. It does happen. And the rules explain why it happens. But I strongly suspect most of the people kvetching know nothing about soccer, given the way the conversation has gone from "they shouldn't have kept scoring!" to "celebrating is rude!"

[Anonymous]

1. Alex Morgan is a national treasure.
2. Rapinoe still won't hold her hand over her heart for the national anthem, when representing the nation at a global event. I think that is offensive.
3. The score should have been 15-0, since Carly Lloyd missed two easy goals.
4. The Thai women had bad haircuts.

[Anonymous]

Here you go
https://www.sbnation.com/2019/6/11/18661895/uswnt-thailand-goals-ranked

Do you agree with the rudeness ranking?

[Anonymous]

Not about scoring

It's about unnecessary celebrating and it always has been

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

DP. What’s ridiculous is you making an argument for an anonymous poster when you have no idea how they would respond in that situation.

The people on the sportsmanship side of this discussion would have been fine with a 20-0 score, done in a dignified way. No flying out of the box with leg farts all the way.

I am a big supporter of our national teams, but it’s within our right to call out this kind of behavior when we see it. I understand that you feel that celebrating wildly is OK. I do not.

Celebrating wildly in THIS situation. There are some situations that warrant it. Like going up a goal late in a game with a bitter, very good rival like Sweden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP - What is the real concern here? Are those of you who believe the women didn’t act appropriately (whatever that means to you) concerned that it reflects badly on our country as a whole or is it something else? Really curious as to why everyone is so worked up?

If after 12 pages in you still don't understand the difference between class, humility and dignity then it can't be explained now.

Agreed. Perhaps PP never played sports?