US vs Thailand

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

DP. What’s ridiculous is you making an argument for an anonymous poster when you have no idea how they would respond in that situation.

The people on the sportsmanship side of this discussion would have been fine with a 20-0 score, done in a dignified way. No flying out of the box with leg farts all the way.

I am a big supporter of our national teams, but it’s within our right to call out this kind of behavior when we see it. I understand that you feel that celebrating wildly is OK. I do not.

So you didn't like one part of one goal celebration, but that's enough for you to tar the entire team.

I don't think it's ok to degrade the entire team saying they have poor sportsmanship when you disapproved of a couple seconds of one celebration of one goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Not about scoring

It's about unnecessary celebrating and it always has been

Yeah. Celebrating over scoring a World Cup goal.

Posers. I liked the World Cup before it was cool.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone seems to be blowing off the fact that Thailand won 11-0 in a continental competition just last year.

Because it ruins the narrative that high scoring just isn't done.

It doesn't happen often. It does happen. And the rules explain why it happens. But I strongly suspect most of the people kvetching know nothing about soccer, given the way the conversation has gone from "they shouldn't have kept scoring!" to "celebrating is rude!"

GOALS WERE FINE!

CELEBRATIONS WERE UNNECESSARY!

Repeat to yourself.

Right. Celebrating is trashy. You never do it. Posh people just grimace slightly when they're proud of themselves. Not that they'd admit to being proud of themselves. That's trashy, too.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

This is the problem with America. Raising kids that everyone is a winner and losing is bad. Or if you lose, it can't be by too much, that is just rude. No, it isn't. You don't want to lose, work harder. You want to beat the team/person/opponent, work harder. You don't want them scoring so much, play some damn Def and work harder.

Sports and attitude towards sports is a reflection of how hard you work in life. It's not how many times you get knocked down, it is how many times you get back up.

People lose, there is always someone better in something. The kid won't get every job, get every love interest, college desired...kids need to learn to lose. Then PICK YOURSELF UP and WORK HARDER!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

DP. What’s ridiculous is you making an argument for an anonymous poster when you have no idea how they would respond in that situation.

The people on the sportsmanship side of this discussion would have been fine with a 20-0 score, done in a dignified way. No flying out of the box with leg farts all the way.

I am a big supporter of our national teams, but it’s within our right to call out this kind of behavior when we see it. I understand that you feel that celebrating wildly is OK. I do not.

So you didn't like one part of one goal celebration, but that's enough for you to tar the entire team.

I don't think it's ok to degrade the entire team saying they have poor sportsmanship when you disapproved of a couple seconds of one celebration of one goal.

Celebrating when a game is competitive is more than fine. The game was not competitive well past 5 goals.

What exactly was Rapinoe celebrating with the 9th goal against the last seed in a group stage game as a defending champion?

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

This is the problem with America. Raising kids that everyone is a winner and losing is bad. Or if you lose, it can't be by too much, that is just rude. No, it isn't. You don't want to lose, work harder. You want to beat the team/person/opponent, work harder. You don't want them scoring so much, play some damn Def and work harder.

Sports and attitude towards sports is a reflection of how hard you work in life. It's not how many times you get knocked down, it is how many times you get back up.

People lose, there is always someone better in something. The kid won't get every job, get every love interest, college desired...kids need to learn to lose. Then PICK YOURSELF UP and WORK HARDER!!!!!

What does that have to do with doing leg farts after the 9th goal was scored?

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Anonymous wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference is a good read for those of us who aren't familiar with the concept.

And for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tactful#English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

Then take it up with FIFA. The rules make goal differential matter. If it's bad sportsmanship to score N goals over your opponent, then the rules shouldn't require bad sportsmanship. The rules aren't carved in a stone tablet that can never be changed. The rules can be changed. That they haven't been changed to this point is all the counterpoint I need to your "sportsmanship" claims.

We should be better behaved than needing a rule to tell us how to behave. How they ACTED after scoring beyond the point of a competitive game was disappointing. There are no rules to guide their behavior and they had a choice of how to react and in my opinion their exuberant celebrations were childish at best. #legfart #respectthegame

Have you ever watched soccer?
Over the top celebrations are standard at such high level games. This is not a single first pump is the standard. Football had to write rules to tone down celebrations. Soccer players should just know better?

The players are respecting the rules of the game. If the people running the games don't like what's happening, they have the power to change it.

Agreed. So ban Neymar’s dancing, Ronaldo’s pelvic thrusts, Messi’s sky pointing, pitch sliding, cleat shining, etc etc and let’s be done with it. -Debbie Downer

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

So if your daughter's team was up by 9, and a kid scored her very first goal, NO CELEBRATING!

Right?

That kid should have had better timing and scored her very first goal during the "Celebrations Allowed" period.

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Anonymous wrote:Not about scoring

It's about unnecessary celebrating and it always has been

Yeah. Celebrating over scoring a World Cup goal.

Posers. I liked the World Cup before it was cool.

The women's world cup is still not cool

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Only a handful of teams even have a shot in the first place. Boring

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So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

Yes they shouldn't have celebrated like that. Classless

Then have FIFA write in the rules what celebrations can be done.

Football did away with spiking the football and dancing in the end zone. Soccer could limit expressions of celebrations.

Do you think all of the celebrations were inappropriate? Does this hold for all the goal celebrations across all the teams, or just the US team?

No rules need to be made. They acted immaturely and crass. That came from within and showed who they are on the inside without being controlled by a rule. They chose how they acted.

What exactly did they do that was immature and crass?

Details, please. "Celebrating" is something all soccer players do when they score. So clearly they did something beyond the pale. Explain, if it's so obvious that all of them should have known it was inappropriate. Heck, the whole team did it, apparently. It should be easy to explain!

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So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

Yes they shouldn't have celebrated like that. Classless

Then have FIFA write in the rules what celebrations can be done.

Football did away with spiking the football and dancing in the end zone. Soccer could limit expressions of celebrations.

Do you think all of the celebrations were inappropriate? Does this hold for all the goal celebrations across all the teams, or just the US team?

There are rules about this. It was discussed (did you watch the game?)

Really? You're now claiming the US team violated rules? What rules did they violate?

Yes, I watched the game.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

So if your daughter's team was up by 9, and a kid scored her very first goal, NO CELEBRATING!

Right?

That kid should have had better timing and scored her very first goal during the "Celebrations Allowed" period.

Well if you think that professional athletes and defending world champions should celebrate the way a 7 year old girl would then you don't understand the difference.

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So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

Yes they shouldn't have celebrated like that. Classless

Then have FIFA write in the rules what celebrations can be done.

Football did away with spiking the football and dancing in the end zone. Soccer could limit expressions of celebrations.

Do you think all of the celebrations were inappropriate? Does this hold for all the goal celebrations across all the teams, or just the US team?

No rules need to be made. They acted immaturely and crass. That came from within and showed who they are on the inside without being controlled by a rule. They chose how they acted.

What exactly did they do that was immature and crass?

Details, please. "Celebrating" is something all soccer players do when they score. So clearly they did something beyond the pale. Explain, if it's so obvious that all of them should have known it was inappropriate. Heck, the whole team did it, apparently. It should be easy to explain!

leg farts??

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

So we've gone from
They shouldn't have kept scoring goals!
Oh, ok, now I understand the rules. Well they shouldn't have celebrated!
Oh, ok, now maybe I have a vague understanding of how huge an accomplishment scoring a goal in the World Cup is. Well they shouldn't have celebrated like THAT!

Please.

It has always been they should not have celebrated THAT excessively at that point in the game. It wasn't about the number of goals, it was ALWAYS about the exuberance over each goal past the point of the game being competitive. The game was long past being competitive by the time leg fart was whipped out.

So you don't think Rapinoe should have celebrated like that. Were the other celebrations acceptable?

If you think some celebrations are over the top, why do you think FIFA hasn't made rules against them? Why do you think the players, specifically the US team, should not celebrate within the bounds of the rules?

I'll put it this way. You just went up 9 goals on the last seeded team in a group stage as the defending champions. Exactly what are you celebrating?

For some of them, their first goal in a World Cup.
For some of them, a goal in the World Cup.
For one of them, matching the record number of goals ever scored in a World Cup.

So, again, if you think some celebrations are over the top, why do you think FIFA hasn't made rules against them? Why do you think the players, specifically the US team, should not celebrate within the bounds of the rules?