BOE Memer is proposing to study school boundary in MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

Which "government-subsidized housing" are you referring to, specifically?

Sorry, I am not going to out these communities and maybe hurt my kid's schoolmates I'm sure there are many more government subsidized housing complexes that have the same story. They must be a dime a dozen around certain parts of this sanctuary county.

Paying a homeowners mortgage and property taxes through rent is not paying into the school system..that's paying rent. The homeowner pays or does not pay the taxes. Saying the undocumented immigrants pay these property taxes is a big stretch.

So essentially the vast majority of undocumented immigrants workers do not pay any of the main life draining taxes (state, local, federal, payroll or income) outside of sales/gas taxes. Got it. I thought I was missing something and there was a e secret way they were actually paying into the system that liberals knew about and I was hoping there was.

Thanks for answering my question. Back to school boundaries and how to address overcrowding caused in part by the changing demographic.

There’s pretty much no such thing as government projects anymore. Section 8 provides vouchers that recipients can use towards rent. Plenty of low income people live in buildings and complexes where some people are using Section 8 vouchers and others are simply paying the rent themselves without government assistance. Undocumented immigrants don’t qualify for Section 8 vouchers. Their US born children may qualify for food stamps and Medicaid.

PP here. Thanks so much for that clarification, very helpful. I mean that sincerely. was going to say Section 8 housing but was not sure of the accuracy. That also explains the 2 unrelated families to a bedroom situation many of these kids live in. Some of the immigrants must be legal... For those who aren't and don't qualify, it helps keep the rent managable. I often wondered how that worked out.

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So essentially the vast majority of undocumented immigrants workers do not pay any of the main life draining taxes (state, local, federal, payroll or income) outside of sales/gas taxes. Got it. I thought I was missing something and there was a e secret way they were actually paying into the system that liberals knew about and I was hoping there was.

Different Poster here but you are overlooking the fact that many of the jobs that undocumented workers do pay well below the poverty line . A citizen or documented worker getting minimum wage as a bus boy or landscaper with unsteady hours due to what the business needs would not make enough to have file state or federal income taxes anyway. There just aren't many big law undocumented workers making 6 figures so its incorrect to say that undocumented workers are evading income taxes. Now, their employers may very well be evading paying into workers comp, unemployment and SS/Med. Some employers do file taxes for undocumented workers -this is a net gain for the gov't because the undocumented worker is not able to use the benefits or withdraw from Social Security later in life.

Overall undocumented workers put more into the government than they take out.

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If you are legitimately interested in undocumented immigrants and taxes, this is a helpful explainer:

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/

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"The MCPS project is also waste of time because Pat O 'Neil is the queen of hiring consultants and being VERY specific with them about the outcome she wants in the report. The consultants job is to find and create data to support what she wants it show which sucks."

Stop bashing Pat O'Neil. She won, and got more votes than any other candidate. Lynn lost, get over it. And, wasting money on more consultants for this particular study was the student board member's idea. Who decided 17 year olds should have any say, let alone an actual vote on what happens to 160,000+ kids? And after they leave and get into the college of their choice after making a name for themself over a controversial issue? Pat O'Neill added the amendment that said this would go back to the board for approval before moving forward, so they could see what the bids come in at before moving forward. Sounds fiscally responsible to me. It is the MCPS staff that makes the bad decisions, withholds and gives misinformation to the board.

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Anonymous wrote:"The MCPS project is also waste of time because Pat O 'Neil is the queen of hiring consultants and being VERY specific with them about the outcome she wants in the report. The consultants job is to find and create data to support what she wants it show which sucks."

Stop bashing Pat O'Neil. She won, and got more votes than any other candidate. Lynn lost, get over it. And, wasting money on more consultants for this particular study was the student board member's idea. Who decided 17 year olds should have any say, let alone an actual vote on what happens to 160,000+ kids? And after they leave and get into the college of their choice after making a name for themself over a controversial issue? Pat O'Neill added the amendment that said this would go back to the board for approval before moving forward, so they could see what the bids come in at before moving forward. Sounds fiscally responsible to me. It is the MCPS staff that makes the bad decisions, withholds and gives misinformation to the board.

The Maryland General Assembly decided.

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Anonymous wrote:"The MCPS project is also waste of time because Pat O 'Neil is the queen of hiring consultants and being VERY specific with them about the outcome she wants in the report. The consultants job is to find and create data to support what she wants it show which sucks."

Stop bashing Pat O'Neil. She won, and got more votes than any other candidate. Lynn lost, get over it. And, wasting money on more consultants for this particular study was the student board member's idea. Who decided 17 year olds should have any say, let alone an actual vote on what happens to 160,000+ kids? And after they leave and get into the college of their choice after making a name for themself over a controversial issue? Pat O'Neill added the amendment that said this would go back to the board for approval before moving forward, so they could see what the bids come in at before moving forward. Sounds fiscally responsible to me. It is the MCPS staff that makes the bad decisions, withholds and gives misinformation to the board.

The Maryland General Assembly decided.

Yup. Stop bashing the SMOB. That's the law, get over it.

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haven't checked

Has anyone posted this article from Bethesda Beat?
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/school-district-to-conduct-countywide-boundary-study/

Pressured by increasing enrollment and evolving demographics, the Montgomery County school board will hire an outside consultant to examine boundary changes for schools.

Several students spoke at a Tuesday meeting where a resolution calling for the study – believed to be the first comprehensive look at the makeup of the school district’s roughly 20 clusters — was passed.

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If rezoning does occur, the issues facing transportation will become a logistical nightmare, especially with the magnet school trans patterns.

I think people forget how powerful money is in these cases - not school system money, but family money. Those who can afford million dollar homes in high SES areas can also afford private school. Others with means may move - and even if it's a stretch, many will make the sacrifice.

Perception is everything.

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Anonymous wrote:If rezoning does occur, the issues facing transportation will become a logistical nightmare, especially with the magnet school trans patterns.

I think people forget how powerful money is in these cases - not school system money, but family money. Those who can afford million dollar homes in high SES areas can also afford private school. Others with means may move - and even if it's a stretch, many will make the sacrifice.

Perception is everything.

This is not really true. People like to say this because they feel it gives them leverage, but in reality it would better serve the public good to be rid of these leeches.

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Anonymous wrote:"The MCPS project is also waste of time because Pat O 'Neil is the queen of hiring consultants and being VERY specific with them about the outcome she wants in the report. The consultants job is to find and create data to support what she wants it show which sucks."

Stop bashing Pat O'Neil. She won, and got more votes than any other candidate. Lynn lost, get over it. And, wasting money on more consultants for this particular study was the student board member's idea. Who decided 17 year olds should have any say, let alone an actual vote on what happens to 160,000+ kids? And after they leave and get into the college of their choice after making a name for themself over a controversial issue? Pat O'Neill added the amendment that said this would go back to the board for approval before moving forward, so they could see what the bids come in at before moving forward. Sounds fiscally responsible to me. It is the MCPS staff that makes the bad decisions, withholds and gives misinformation to the board.

Will Pat help us make diversity bussing a reality and end decades of segregation @MCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:haven't checked

Has anyone posted this article from Bethesda Beat?
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/school-district-to-conduct-countywide-boundary-study/

Pressured by increasing enrollment and evolving demographics, the Montgomery County school board will hire an outside consultant to examine boundary changes for schools.

Several students spoke at a Tuesday meeting where a resolution calling for the study – believed to be the first comprehensive look at the makeup of the school district’s roughly 20 clusters — was passed.

Thanks. I'll highlight this important paragraph:

The consultant will not recommend specific boundary changes that would require students to shift to different schools, but recommend general areas of potential changes. The school board will not be required to take any action based on the consultant’s findings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The MCPS project is also waste of time because Pat O 'Neil is the queen of hiring consultants and being VERY specific with them about the outcome she wants in the report. The consultants job is to find and create data to support what she wants it show which sucks."

Stop bashing Pat O'Neil. She won, and got more votes than any other candidate. Lynn lost, get over it. And, wasting money on more consultants for this particular study was the student board member's idea. Who decided 17 year olds should have any say, let alone an actual vote on what happens to 160,000+ kids? And after they leave and get into the college of their choice after making a name for themself over a controversial issue? Pat O'Neill added the amendment that said this would go back to the board for approval before moving forward, so they could see what the bids come in at before moving forward. Sounds fiscally responsible to me. It is the MCPS staff that makes the bad decisions, withholds and gives misinformation to the board.

Will Pat help us make diversity bussing a reality and end decades of segregation @MCPS?

Persistent, aren't you, Gretchen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If rezoning does occur, the issues facing transportation will become a logistical nightmare, especially with the magnet school trans patterns.

I think people forget how powerful money is in these cases - not school system money, but family money. Those who can afford million dollar homes in high SES areas can also afford private school. Others with means may move - and even if it's a stretch, many will make the sacrifice.

Perception is everything.

A logistical nightmare to increase an area's effective school capacity by rezoning some students in an over-capacity school to an adjoining, under-capacity school? How so? And if so, how come DCUM has been yelling for MCPS to do just that for years?

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Anonymous wrote:We are coming for you BCC and WJ! You can run but you can't hide!!

- DCC

It is Whitman you want.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If rezoning does occur, the issues facing transportation will become a logistical nightmare, especially with the magnet school trans patterns.

I think people forget how powerful money is in these cases - not school system money, but family money. Those who can afford million dollar homes in high SES areas can also afford private school. Others with means may move - and even if it's a stretch, many will make the sacrifice.

Perception is everything.

A logistical nightmare to increase an area's effective school capacity by rezoning some students in an over-capacity school to an adjoining, under-capacity school? How so? And if so, how come DCUM has been yelling for MCPS to do just that for years?

Over-capacity is the PC way of saying desegregation.

funny thing about this situation . . .

the "understanding" that minorities will benefit by being sent to a school that's either majority white or high SES - That's the blanketed message no one wants to state out loud.

The issue is not resolved through busing. This is a simplistic approach that's part of the "blame game." Kids should not be made ashamed of their home school, yet this is the message we're sending by examining this approach. Instead, teachers be provided the autonomy (and respect!) to do what's best for their students.