BOE Memer is proposing to study school boundary in MCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

Hey look, someone posting from the 1960s. White flight is back in! Next up: pillbox hats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The segregation that some posters are freaking about isn't just historical. Montgomery Village is a good example. In the 90s it used to be filled with lower to mid level feds and very MC. Now its all rentals with landlords allowing multiple families in one small TH, crime and one of the worst gang locations in the county. The whites all left for Frederick county, QO, RM or Olney cluster or VA. Wheaton, decades ago, was a nice place but everyone fled to closer in SS or the west. The eastern and northern areas of Silver Spring have been losing the UMC/MC too though they had fewer to start.

Really? Wheaton doesn't seem like nobody lives there. I see lots of people out and about, whenever I'm there.

I know, I saw this comment too. “Nobody lives there” but somehow the schools are above capacity? Also this poster oddly seems to assert that not only are all the people fleeing from Montgomery Village... but that they are also living with multiple families per townhouse. So more people = fewer people?

Of course what they mean to say is “nobody” white. Which isn’t true, but anyway. Areas with lots of people need lots of school capacity, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The segregation that some posters are freaking about isn't just historical. Montgomery Village is a good example. In the 90s it used to be filled with lower to mid level feds and very MC. Now its all rentals with landlords allowing multiple families in one small TH, crime and one of the worst gang locations in the county. The whites all left for Frederick county, QO, RM or Olney cluster or VA. Wheaton, decades ago, was a nice place but everyone fled to closer in SS or the west. The eastern and northern areas of Silver Spring have been losing the UMC/MC too though they had fewer to start.

Really? Wheaton doesn't seem like nobody lives there. I see lots of people out and about, whenever I'm there.

I know, I saw this comment too. “Nobody lives there” but somehow the schools are above capacity? Also this poster oddly seems to assert that not only are all the people fleeing from Montgomery Village... but that they are also living with multiple families per townhouse. So more people = fewer people?

Of course what they mean to say is “nobody” white. Which isn’t true, but anyway. Areas with lots of people need lots of school capacity, period.

Just more of the usual unfounded anecdotes and baseless generalizations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

Hey look, someone posting from the 1960s. White flight is back in! Next up: pillbox hats.

ROFL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

Hey look, someone posting from the 1960s. White flight is back in! Next up: pillbox hats.

Shrug. You can't argue with reality, even if you don't like it. School bussing is not about race - though advocates like to call those who oppose bussing racist. Rather, it's about lower income versus upper income. Would your opinion change if MCPS were bussing in poor white kids into a school where most kids were also white?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

Hey look, someone posting from the 1960s. White flight is back in! Next up: pillbox hats.

Shrug. You can't argue with reality, even if you don't like it. School bussing is not about race - though advocates like to call those who oppose bussing racist. Rather, it's about lower income versus upper income. Would your opinion change if MCPS were bussing in poor white kids into a school where most kids were also white?

Please let us know where in Montgomery County there are schools with high FARMS rates and high percentages of white students.

[Anonymous]

Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

Nobody wants long bus rides. Nobody. The proposal is about considering adjacent schools. People who live near the Wootton /Gaithersburg boundary are neighbors. People who live near the WJ/Wheaton boundary are neighbors. People who live near the B-CC/Einstein boundary are neighbors. Etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

Nobody wants long bus rides. Nobody. The proposal is about considering adjacent schools. People who live near the Wootton /Gaithersburg boundary are neighbors. People who live near the WJ/Wheaton boundary are neighbors. People who live near the B-CC/Einstein boundary are neighbors. Etc.

You're right but good luck trying to reason with parents about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

Nobody wants long bus rides. Nobody. The proposal is about considering adjacent schools. People who live near the Wootton /Gaithersburg boundary are neighbors. People who live near the WJ/Wheaton boundary are neighbors. People who live near the B-CC/Einstein boundary are neighbors. Etc.

Wootton boundaries aren't really close to Gaithersburg boundaries with the exception of students who live near the Rio being bussed over to Fallsmead. That is already bussing in effect. Otherwise, Wootton boundaries are up against RM and QO boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

I guess this is why: “White parents and politicians framed their resistance to school desegregation in terms like “busing” and “neighborhood schools,” and this rhetorical shift allowed them to support white schools and neighborhoods without using explicitly racist language.”

This quote isn’t about MCPS today. It’s about the Boston public schools desegregation fight in the 1970s. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-boston-busing-crisis-was-never-intended-to-work/474264/

Nobody is proposing a massive busing project like this. But when affluent people get to control the “neighborhood schools,” everyone else (almost always low income black and Hispanic kids) gets less funding and support for their schools.

[Anonymous]

The title 1 schools and focus schools get more money per student then others. Just the fact that they have significantly smaller class sizes does that, not to mention the free and reduced meals, health clinics and other social service opportunities that are available to students. And that's a good thing, if families need the services they should have them. But please, do not say that more money is spent at wealthy schools, because if it is, it's parents paying additional through the PTA, not mcps spending through tax dollars, more of which goes to poorer schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reported by Bethesda Magazine: “Board members propose districtwide boundary study, class size review committee

County school board members have proposed establishing a districtwide boundary study and class size review committee, both intended to ease crowding.

Student board member Ananya Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville, proposed the boundary assessment study in response to an increase in enrollment and student diversity that she believes challenges the school district’s ability to provide equitable facilities throughout the county.

Tadikonda suggests hiring an independent consultant to study whether boundaries of neighboring school clusters countywide could be altered to even the distribution of students among schools. The consultant would be tasked with providing a report by June 4.”

Should MCPS redraw the school boundary to achieve racial balance?

How noble! Her college apps should like that theme!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

Nobody wants long bus rides. Nobody. The proposal is about considering adjacent schools. People who live near the Wootton /Gaithersburg boundary are neighbors. People who live near the WJ/Wheaton boundary are neighbors. People who live near the B-CC/Einstein boundary are neighbors. Etc.

Wootton boundaries aren't really close to Gaithersburg boundaries with the exception of students who live near the Rio being bussed over to Fallsmead. That is already bussing in effect. Otherwise, Wootton boundaries are up against RM and QO boundaries.

What is the difference between "taking a school bus to school" and "bussing"? For example, my kid takes a bus to our zoned high school. Does my kid take the bus, or is my kid bussed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

I guess this is why: “White parents and politicians framed their resistance to school desegregation in terms like “busing” and “neighborhood schools,” and this rhetorical shift allowed them to support white schools and neighborhoods without using explicitly racist language.”

This quote isn’t about MCPS today. It’s about the Boston public schools desegregation fight in the 1970s. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-boston-busing-crisis-was-never-intended-to-work/474264/

Nobody is proposing a massive busing project like this. But when affluent people get to control the “neighborhood schools,” everyone else (almost always low income black and Hispanic kids) gets less funding and support for their schools.

There are significant differences between town and county school systems. In Montgomery County, economic segregation doesn't lead to low income schools getting less funding because they are County funded and get more funding because of the challenges faced by many of their students. If you look at the numbers for ES at least, you will see this. E.g. - Arcola Elementary with 686 students has a total budget allocation of $7,577,845. Kensington Parkwood Elementary with 657 students has a total budget allocation of $5,269,426. Brown Station Elementary with 579 students has a total budget allocation of $6,608,683.

That doesn't mean there are no consequences to economic segregation, but they are not the same financial consequences as those suffered by low income students in towns right next door to high income towns where finances are completely separate and based on tax revenue.

I think it is a legitimate criticism to say that consortium-based solutions have a different effect on the community feel of neighborhoods than when everyone goes to the same schools. But which schools everyone in the neighborhood goes to, well, it appears there are 5 high schools within 5 miles of my down-county house.