BOE Memer is proposing to study school boundary in MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing out loud at these threats from rich people that they’re going to storm out of the county. A majority of us would actually benefit from that. They are opportunity hoarders who have been jealously guarding all the prime locations, schools, jobs. The middle and upper middle class would really be happy to take your places.

Keep laughing, it's the middle and Upper middle along with the wealthy who will be moving out and taking their tax dollars. The recent population boom has been in immigrants who don't pay state taxes or county taxes or property taxes but yet are using a disproportionate amount of resources.

The population boom is not not in middle class or upper middle class workers. It is due to the sanctuary status of the county. This is a fact, repeated over and over again in media publications. Changing demographics from the rich to the poor.

Hope your still laughing in a couple years when the tax dollars dry up.

Yes, that's why the schools in Bethesda are so overcrowded.

Also, immigrants pay taxes too. That is a well-known fact.

DP. Immigrants do pay taxes, and the PP was wrong to suggest otherwise. But you should also acknowledge that the average immigrant is going to have a lower income and own/rent a less valuable property -- which lead to lower income and property taxes respectively -- than the average M/UMC professional. So to the extent the M/UMC professional decides to leave the County and is replaced by an immigrant, the overall tax base with decrease. So either the level of services provided by the county will have to be reduced or the tax rates on those remaining in the county will have to increase.

I honestly want to know. How do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? And don't say "sales taxes", that is a cop out. Tourists from other countries pay sakes taxes when they visit. Everyone pays sales tax. I mean real crippling taxes like those of us with social security numbers who aren't paid cash under the table are forced to pay......like income tax, property tax, county, state, social security and federal taxes. How are they able to pay these taxes that provide the services they need like government housing, ESOL, EBT Medicaid, and FREE schools (the topic of this thread) This is an honest question. Do not say sales tax...please explain the process of how they contribute to these other taxes. I'm truly listening

PP again...and I don't mean legal immigrants. We are talking about undocumented immigrants that have come here en masse since Montco became sanctuary, the reason for our population boom. Of course legal immigrants contribute because they are Americans, they have skin in the game.

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^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

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I honestly want to know. How do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? And don't say "sales taxes", that is a cop out. Tourists from other countries pay sakes taxes when they visit. Everyone pays sales tax. I mean real crippling taxes like those of us with social security numbers who aren't paid cash under the table are forced to pay......like income tax, property tax, county, state, social security and federal taxes. How are they able to pay these taxes that provide the services they need like government housing, ESOL, EBT Medicaid, and FREE schools (the topic of this thread) This is an honest question. Do not say sales tax...please explain the process of how they contribute to these other taxes. I'm truly listening

Sales taxes, property taxes (either on property they own, or indirectly in rent paid to property owners), gas taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes... All the taxes that you pay (unless you are a tax evader), other people who live and function in this society pay too.

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It doesn't appear that the majority of growth in the hispanic student population in MCPS is from illegal immigrants. If it was the ESL numbers would be closer to the growth numbers but they are much lower. So unless illegal hispanic immigrants learn to speak english fluently before coming over the border, the enrollment data doesn't support the idea that its all illegal immigrants. There are some good size ESL numbers in schools with low hispanic population too so you can't even assume that all ESL is hispanic kids.

It would be nice if a neutral group like the PEW group or any group not hired or biased toward what MCPS wants to hear - would do a full demographic trend analysis of the county. There are bits and pieces of this data all over. Its important to understand because a large portion of MoCo are retirees and will most likely be downsizing. It certainly appears that MoCO has lost its competitive luster to DC and VA and that different areas are clustering more and more along different racial, ethnic and SES lines. This type of analysis should be done outside the school system and the school system's job is to figure out how to educate the students that are coming not screw around with trying to move them around.

The MCPS project is also waste of time because Pat O 'Neil is the queen of hiring consultants and being VERY specific with them about the outcome she wants in the report. The consultants job is to find and create data to support what she wants it show which sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:the school system's job is to figure out how to educate the students that are coming not screw around with trying to move them around.

Figuring out where to put the students is part of educating the students.

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

How do you know they are all illegal immigrants? How can you tell? Are they wearing a big yellow star on their jackets? I'm kind of being flippant here with that last remark, but seriously, how can you tell if a person is an illegal immigrant?

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I honestly want to know. How do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? And don't say "sales taxes", that is a cop out. Tourists from other countries pay sakes taxes when they visit. Everyone pays sales tax. I mean real crippling taxes like those of us with social security numbers who aren't paid cash under the table are forced to pay......like income tax, property tax, county, state, social security and federal taxes. How are they able to pay these taxes that provide the services they need like government housing, ESOL, EBT Medicaid, and FREE schools (the topic of this thread) This is an honest question. Do not say sales tax...please explain the process of how they contribute to these other taxes. I'm truly listening

Sales taxes, property taxes (either on property they own, or indirectly in rent paid to property owners), gas taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes... All the taxes that you pay (unless you are a tax evader), other people who live and function in this society pay too.

You did not answer the question. Sales and gas taxes do not count. Anyone here even temporarily pays those, including tourists. I am curious to know exactly HOW they pay income taxes, payroll taxes, state, county, federal and income (the big taxes which make up the bulk of our crippling tax system) without a social.security number? So how are they doing it? How do they pay these taxes without an SSN? I honestly want to know. Defenders of illegal immigration always scream the undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Tell me how they pay these taxes.

Help me believe you when we discuss the burden of overcrowding in our fast failing school system and redrawing boundary lines that our sanctuary status isn't part of the problem

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I honestly want to know. How do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? And don't say "sales taxes", that is a cop out. Tourists from other countries pay sakes taxes when they visit. Everyone pays sales tax. I mean real crippling taxes like those of us with social security numbers who aren't paid cash under the table are forced to pay......like income tax, property tax, county, state, social security and federal taxes. How are they able to pay these taxes that provide the services they need like government housing, ESOL, EBT Medicaid, and FREE schools (the topic of this thread) This is an honest question. Do not say sales tax...please explain the process of how they contribute to these other taxes. I'm truly listening

Sales taxes, property taxes (either on property they own, or indirectly in rent paid to property owners), gas taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes... All the taxes that you pay (unless you are a tax evader), other people who live and function in this society pay too.

You did not answer the question. Sales and gas taxes do not count. Anyone here even temporarily pays those, including tourists. I am curious to know exactly HOW they pay income taxes, payroll taxes, state, county, federal and income (the big taxes which make up the bulk of our crippling tax system) without a social.security number? So how are they doing it? How do they pay these taxes without an SSN? I honestly want to know. Defenders of illegal immigration always scream the undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Tell me how they pay these taxes.

Help me believe you when we discuss the burden of overcrowding in our fast failing school system and redrawing boundary lines that our sanctuary status isn't part of the problem

If you pay rent to a landlord, part of your rent is to pay your landlord's property tax bill.

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

How do you know they are all illegal immigrants? How can you tell? Are they wearing a big yellow star on their jackets? I'm kind of being flippant here with that last remark, but seriously, how can you tell if a person is an illegal immigrant?

My kid talks to these kids on the bus, at least the ones who speak broken English. Many can only say "Hola!" To the English speakers and there are new unannounced arrivals pretty regularly and they move in with other families not even related to.them in small government apartments. Primarily from Guatemala, El Salvador and Mexico. Many are legal but there is little doubt many are not. Do I know which is which? No but it's pretty obvious what's going on.

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I honestly want to know. How do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? And don't say "sales taxes", that is a cop out. Tourists from other countries pay sakes taxes when they visit. Everyone pays sales tax. I mean real crippling taxes like those of us with social security numbers who aren't paid cash under the table are forced to pay......like income tax, property tax, county, state, social security and federal taxes. How are they able to pay these taxes that provide the services they need like government housing, ESOL, EBT Medicaid, and FREE schools (the topic of this thread) This is an honest question. Do not say sales tax...please explain the process of how they contribute to these other taxes. I'm truly listening

Sales taxes, property taxes (either on property they own, or indirectly in rent paid to property owners), gas taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes... All the taxes that you pay (unless you are a tax evader), other people who live and function in this society pay too.

You did not answer the question. Sales and gas taxes do not count. Anyone here even temporarily pays those, including tourists. I am curious to know exactly HOW they pay income taxes, payroll taxes, state, county, federal and income (the big taxes which make up the bulk of our crippling tax system) without a social.security number? So how are they doing it? How do they pay these taxes without an SSN? I honestly want to know. Defenders of illegal immigration always scream the undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Tell me how they pay these taxes.

Help me believe you when we discuss the burden of overcrowding in our fast failing school system and redrawing boundary lines that our sanctuary status isn't part of the problem

Why don't they count? If they don't count, does that mean I don't have to pay them? Yippee!

If you don't have your own Social Security number for work, there are two things you can do: use an IRS-issued Taxpayer Identification Number (you can Google it), or use somebody else's Social Security number. Obviously if you're using somebody else's Social Security number, you're paying payroll taxes into a system that will never pay back out to you. This actually benefits the financial status of the Social Security program.

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

Which "government-subsidized housing" are you referring to, specifically?

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

Which "government-subsidized housing" are you referring to, specifically?

Sorry, I am not going to out these communities and maybe hurt my kid's schoolmates I'm sure there are many more government subsidized housing complexes that have the same story. They must be a dime a dozen around certain parts of this sanctuary county.

Paying a homeowners mortgage and property taxes through rent is not paying into the school system..that's paying rent. The homeowner pays or does not pay the taxes. Saying the undocumented immigrants pay these property taxes is a big stretch.

So essentially the vast majority of undocumented immigrants workers do not pay any of the main life draining taxes (state, local, federal, payroll or income) outside of sales/gas taxes. Got it. I thought I was missing something and there was a e secret way they were actually paying into the system that liberals knew about and I was hoping there was.

Thanks for answering my question. Back to school boundaries and how to address overcrowding caused in part by the changing demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:

I honestly want to know. How do undocumented immigrants pay taxes? And don't say "sales taxes", that is a cop out. Tourists from other countries pay sakes taxes when they visit. Everyone pays sales tax. I mean real crippling taxes like those of us with social security numbers who aren't paid cash under the table are forced to pay......like income tax, property tax, county, state, social security and federal taxes. How are they able to pay these taxes that provide the services they need like government housing, ESOL, EBT Medicaid, and FREE schools (the topic of this thread) This is an honest question. Do not say sales tax...please explain the process of how they contribute to these other taxes. I'm truly listening

Sales taxes, property taxes (either on property they own, or indirectly in rent paid to property owners), gas taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes... All the taxes that you pay (unless you are a tax evader), other people who live and function in this society pay too.

You did not answer the question. Sales and gas taxes do not count. Anyone here even temporarily pays those, including tourists. I am curious to know exactly HOW they pay income taxes, payroll taxes, state, county, federal and income (the big taxes which make up the bulk of our crippling tax system) without a social.security number? So how are they doing it? How do they pay these taxes without an SSN? I honestly want to know. Defenders of illegal immigration always scream the undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Tell me how they pay these taxes.

Help me believe you when we discuss the burden of overcrowding in our fast failing school system and redrawing boundary lines that our sanctuary status isn't part of the problem

They get a tax ID number and file taxes under that number.

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Anonymous wrote:^undocumented folks pay taxes when they rent properties in MoCo. Landlords usually build in the property tax into the rent. And since most of the school revenue comes from property taxes (though income tax is a close second), they are paying into the system from a school perspective.

What about those who live in government subsidized housing? Which is a huge chunk of the suspected illegal non Englush speaking immigrants at our school. Our bus picks up many of them up from three projects. We are the only stop in a neighborhood not in the several complexes. Many different families there are living crammed in like sardines in two and three bedroom apartments. Are they paying property taxes in Government subsidized housing paid for by tax payers? This is a real question.

Which "government-subsidized housing" are you referring to, specifically?

Sorry, I am not going to out these communities and maybe hurt my kid's schoolmates I'm sure there are many more government subsidized housing complexes that have the same story. They must be a dime a dozen around certain parts of this sanctuary county.

Paying a homeowners mortgage and property taxes through rent is not paying into the school system..that's paying rent. The homeowner pays or does not pay the taxes. Saying the undocumented immigrants pay these property taxes is a big stretch.

So essentially the vast majority of undocumented immigrants workers do not pay any of the main life draining taxes (state, local, federal, payroll or income) outside of sales/gas taxes. Got it. I thought I was missing something and there was a e secret way they were actually paying into the system that liberals knew about and I was hoping there was.

Thanks for answering my question. Back to school boundaries and how to address overcrowding caused in part by the changing demographic.

There’s pretty much no such thing as government projects anymore. Section 8 provides vouchers that recipients can use towards rent. Plenty of low income people live in buildings and complexes where some people are using Section 8 vouchers and others are simply paying the rent themselves without government assistance. Undocumented immigrants don’t qualify for Section 8 vouchers. Their US born children may qualify for food stamps and Medicaid.