BOE Memer is proposing to study school boundary in MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Every time anyone opposes long bus rides for any kids, or advocates for a W school, they are labeled racist. In reality, some of us like community schools. We want community (whatever color or household income) to get together at the school. To see neighbors when we vote, go to a homecoming game, a meeting about a new development in the community, etc. We do not want a consortium, where neighbors end up at different schools. And, we are not racists for wanting this.

I guess this is why: “White parents and politicians framed their resistance to school desegregation in terms like “busing” and “neighborhood schools,” and this rhetorical shift allowed them to support white schools and neighborhoods without using explicitly racist language.”

This quote isn’t about MCPS today. It’s about the Boston public schools desegregation fight in the 1970s. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-boston-busing-crisis-was-never-intended-to-work/474264/

Nobody is proposing a massive busing project like this. But when affluent people get to control the “neighborhood schools,” everyone else (almost always low income black and Hispanic kids) gets less funding and support for their schools.

There are significant differences between town and county school systems. In Montgomery County, economic segregation doesn't lead to low income schools getting less funding because they are County funded and get more funding because of the challenges faced by many of their students. If you look at the numbers for ES at least, you will see this. E.g. - Arcola Elementary with 686 students has a total budget allocation of $7,577,845. Kensington Parkwood Elementary with 657 students has a total budget allocation of $5,269,426. Brown Station Elementary with 579 students has a total budget allocation of $6,608,683.

That doesn't mean there are no consequences to economic segregation, but they are not the same financial consequences as those suffered by low income students in towns right next door to high income towns where finances are completely separate and based on tax revenue.

I think it is a legitimate criticism to say that consortium-based solutions have a different effect on the community feel of neighborhoods than when everyone goes to the same schools. But which schools everyone in the neighborhood goes to, well, it appears there are 5 high schools within 5 miles of my down-county house.

I’m the poster you responded to and I agree that economic segregation is worse in town-based systems and that is why I wrote what I wrote rebutting a suggestion that we move to town based systems.

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Every school must be half students on the dole and half students whose families w HHI over $42k.

One third must be Hispanic, one third black, one third white plus Asian. Pro rate the FARMS.

50/50 female/male.


This, my friends, is the recipe for success. The achievement gap will dissipate and all will be eager and ready for MOCo Community College. There is a special program there where you can teach ESOL at MCPS during and after college, go for it!!

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Your favorite recipe does not equal my favorite recipe. Yours will lead to more $ spent on busses and bus drivers rather than teachers. It will decimate communities that revolve around the high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Your favorite recipe does not equal my favorite recipe. Yours will lead to more $ spent on busses and bus drivers rather than teachers. It will decimate communities that revolve around the high schools.

It will DECIMATE them! Just ask Horizon Hill!

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Anonymous wrote:The hilarious thing is that literally no one is suggesting busing - just balancing the boundaries a little to deal with schools that are overcrowded near schools that have space.

This means the MOST segregated communities are the safest, since their boundaries are least likely to touch an integrated school zone.

Nothing has actually been proposed yet so no one knows exactly what will be coming. Some of the rhetoric from the BOE certainly could be used to support busing so fears about busing are not completely unfounded, although maybe premature.

Hee hee.

No, they're not 100% unfounded, they're just about 99% unfounded.

I don't agree. You have a BOE who has made it very, very clear that closing the achievement gap is a, if not the, main thing they are focused on. There has been plenty of other talk about changing borders to achieve greater diversity.

Given that it will be hard to really make much of a difference on either front by just tinkering with the borders, I don't think it is unreasonable at all to think that they might wind up supporting busing that goes beyond border tinkering once it becomes clear that tinkering won't achieve their objectives.

Truth is the only way to shrink the achievement gap is to employ the same methods other areas do, push the poor people out. MoCo has welcomed them in as the flee South America and get pushed out of DC. We are the recipient of other areas fixing their problems. The county has done it in a way that minimized the impact on the 3rd rail W’s which has speed up the SES implosion in the east county and started areas seeing an exodus of middle class families.

Well now that the W’s aren’t as sacred as they once were and the DCC (dispite their cries to the contrary) are excited to deploy the “misery loves company” parochial to governing.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school must be half students on the dole and half students whose families w HHI over $42k.

One third must be Hispanic, one third black, one third white plus Asian. Pro rate the FARMS.

50/50 female/male.


This, my friends, is the recipe for success. The achievement gap will dissipate and all will be eager and ready for MOCo Community College. There is a special program there where you can teach ESOL at MCPS during and after college, go for it!!

At least it would help illustrate how kids academic performance is a function of their SES not which school they attend. A kid from Churchill will do more or less the same at Kennedy. People get all worked up about good and bad schools, but there isn't any real difference between the schools just the students. Sure, busing kids around to make things fair sounds great but it would also have little impact.

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At least it would help illustrate how kids academic performance is a function of their SES not which school they attend. A kid from Churchill will do more or less the same at Kennedy. People get all worked up about good and bad schools, but there isn't any real difference between the schools just the students. Sure, busing kids around to make things fair sounds great but it would also have little impact.

Nobody is advocating for this.

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Anonymous wrote:Your favorite recipe does not equal my favorite recipe. Yours will lead to more $ spent on busses and bus drivers rather than teachers. It will decimate communities that revolve around the high schools.

It will DECIMATE them! Just ask Horizon Hill!

I live in HH. We're doing fine, thanks. A few houses on around here sold fairly quickly recently for a good price.

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Truth is the only way to shrink the achievement gap is to employ the same methods other areas do, push the poor people out. MoCo has welcomed them in as the flee South America and get pushed out of DC. We are the recipient of other areas fixing their problems. The county has done it in a way that minimized the impact on the 3rd rail W’s which has speed up the SES implosion in the east county and started areas seeing an exodus of middle class families.

Well now that the W’s aren’t as sacred as they once were and the DCC (dispite their cries to the contrary) are excited to deploy the “misery loves company” parochial to governing.

I'm trying to figure out how socioeconomic status can implode. Let's see.

Socioeconomic status is the social standing or class of an individual or group. It is often measured as a combination of education, income and occupation

Ok, so far so good.

Definition of implosion
1 : the inrush of air in forming a suction stop
2 : the action of imploding
3 : the act or action of bringing to or as if to a center
also : INTEGRATION

Nope. Can't figure it out.

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MCPS has been going downhill since Weast left. Reminds me of the classic story of dysfunction:

It starts with an incoming manager (in our case, Superintendent) replacing a recently fired outgoing manager (Starr). On his way out, the outgoing manager hands the new manager three envelopes and remarks, "when things get tough, open these one at a time."

About a year goes by and things are rough. The manager opens his drawer where he keeps the three envelopes and opens #1. It reads: "Blame your predecessor." So he does and it works like a charm.

Another year passes and things are growing difficult again so the manger figures to try #2. It reads, "reorganize." Again, his predecessor's advice works like magic.

Finally, about the third year into the new job, things are getting really sticky. The manager figures it worked before, why not try again. So he opens the envelope drawer one last time and opens #3. It reads..."prepare three envelopes."

So reorganize a failing system and watch what happens. What was the shining star of the county goes further downhill, more educated wealthy people either send their kids to private school or leave the county. Then what?

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The segregation that some posters are freaking about isn't just historical. Montgomery Village is a good example. In the 90s it used to be filled with lower to mid level feds and very MC. Now its all rentals with landlords allowing multiple families in one small TH, crime and one of the worst gang locations in the county. The whites all left for Frederick county, QO, RM or Olney cluster or VA. Wheaton, decades ago, was a nice place but everyone fled to closer in SS or the west. The eastern and northern areas of Silver Spring have been losing the UMC/MC too though they had fewer to start.

Really? Wheaton doesn't seem like nobody lives there. I see lots of people out and about, whenever I'm there.

Wheaton seems like it's much nicer now than it was in the past. Not sure what that poster is smoking.

Yea, 'cept for those stabbings and shootings, Wheaton Plaza is much nicer than it used to be.

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Personally I love all the hit and runs by uninsured illegals.

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So a temporary teen board member proposed this and y’all think anything is going to happen?!?

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Anonymous wrote:If rezoning does occur, the issues facing transportation will become a logistical nightmare, especially with the magnet school trans patterns.

I think people forget how powerful money is in these cases - not school system money, but family money. Those who can afford million dollar homes in high SES areas can also afford private school. Others with means may move - and even if it's a stretch, many will make the sacrifice.

Perception is everything.

This is not really true. People like to say this because they feel it gives them leverage, but in reality it would better serve the public good to be rid of these leeches.

Whoever you are, you have made multiple posts in this same nasty vein. I get it, you're poor and angry. The rich aren't the leeches, they pay the majority of the taxes we all benefit from.

I'm not rich but upper middle I bring resources to my kids school that is a brood mix of SES. I make the class parties happen, I tutor kids who need extra help in the halls and I use my connections to bring money from local businesses to our school for all the kids. I have kids of all SES and race at my house to play every week.

You betcha your @$$, the public school would miss parents like me. And I am considering both private and moving because I am worn out. MCPS has really gone down hill, the curriculum, the overcrowding, the focus on mediocrity. I am watching any rezoning with a side eye, knowing it is the final straw.

I'm not the only one on my peer group who feels this way. Many have already moved or left for private and their presence is missed as the load fall on fewer and fewer parents who have the time, desire or resources to fill the void they leave behind. I'm burned out and comments like yours make me excited for my kid's interview next week. Let all the involved parents with resources, time and heart leave and you"ll find out who.the leeches are. Hint: it an't us.

TLDR it's high time we end segregation and chase these privileged leeches from our county!

Class envy is a poor look. I would point out your attitide is why you aren't successful in life. Chase out the money in the county that pays for everything, especially the schools, and it will be one big ghetto, but I guess that's your comfort zone. Bye now, I've got things to do. First on my list: volunteer.[/quote]
Don't forget the Klan meeting.

Yeah, while you sat behind your computer like a loser hurling untrue insults, I spent my afternoon with three Spanish speaking kids, working on vocabulary.

Sorry you can't see the truth that taxpayer money is what funds the schools.
When you have less affluent tax payers because they flee, you have less tax dollars and less tax dollars means less resources for everyone in the school system and disproportionately will hit the poorer students the hardest. Sorry if you don't like truth, if it doesn't fit your world view. I tend to be pragmatic and see things how they are and not how I wish them to be.

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Anonymous wrote:So a temporary teen board member proposed this and y’all think anything is going to happen?!?

don't you believe this is the part of leadership that she needs to apply for Ivy leagues ?