Dockworker’s strike

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

It doesn’t matter how much the CEO makes and this is largely irrelevant to the discussion. The CEO of CMA CGM for example makes 30.5M a year. The company has around160k employees. If you reduce the CEOs salary to zero and increase worker pay with this money, it would only result in each employee getting an additional $191 per year. CEO pay has almost no impact on most companies ability to compensate other employees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

It doesn’t matter how much the CEO makes and this is largely irrelevant to the discussion. The CEO of CMA CGM for example makes 30.5M a year. The company has around160k employees. If you reduce the CEOs salary to zero and increase worker pay with this money, it would only result in each employee getting an additional $191 per year. CEO pay has almost no impact on most companies ability to compensate other employees.

I love this magic math, like 30M is nothing. Why don’t I get paid 30m dollars?? It would cost everybody else so little!!

[Anonymous]

Why shouldn't Longshoremen make as much as a Junior Associate? Aren't they a lot more important? What would happen if lawyers went on strike?

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, dockworkers. I remember their scams like yesterday growing up in NJ. The hourly rate is such a scam. Most are claiming time and a half and double time overtime, all sorts of bonuses, etc.

The most likely place you’ll not find a dockworker is at the docks.

The glory days when Tony from the bada bing ran the show.

It’s funny you say that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't Longshoremen make as much as a Junior Associate? Aren't they a lot more important? What would happen if lawyers went on strike?

Well, for one thing, the longshoremen would not be able to to off strike while the lawyers were on strke.

But the really reason is boring old supply and demand.

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

It doesn’t matter how much the CEO makes and this is largely irrelevant to the discussion. The CEO of CMA CGM for example makes 30.5M a year. The company has around160k employees. If you reduce the CEOs salary to zero and increase worker pay with this money, it would only result in each employee getting an additional $191 per year. CEO pay has almost no impact on most companies ability to compensate other employees.

I love this magic math, like 30M is nothing. Why don’t I get paid 30m dollars?? It would cost everybody else so little!!

Calling it "magic" doesn't make it false. That's the actual magic of math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

Boo Hoo. Hard physical work that provides the commodities and manufactured products necessary for civilization makes more money than your non-essential, sap sucking, parasitic, sloppy, slovenly “work” probably remotely performed in your PJs.

The AVERAGE worker? Bullshit they do. I say this coming from an east coast multi generation longshoreman family (uncles, parent, grandparents, etc).

When I was a little girl my friends father was crushed at work on the docks by a container that fell on him. It wasn’t an isolated event; it happened multiple times I remember from my childhood. My uncle worked as a lasher for 20 years. He has back, shoulder and neck problems from the difficult highly repetitive dangerous work he did. Yes he made a good living and has a pension but it wasn’t $300k even with bonuses (more like $150k MAX and that includes bonuses). But he’s got chronic pain and has had five surgeries since retirement 10 years ago.

Would you give up the ability to walk for $150k a year? To drive, and swim, and hunt?

Your whole posts tells me you don’t have any working class ppl in your family. Maybe don’t participate in the discussion if you don’t have the facts.

Considering the anti-automation clause in the labor proposal, yes, they do want to make that trade. Bur it's not $150K. It's $150K times yeara worked divided by the injury rate, a far higher number. So yeah, for $25M, if I had no white collar skills and ability to do very well in an office job? Sure I would.

[Anonymous]

Queue up the urban elite to hate the worker trying to get a raise

Contempt


One of the main things that I hear from my fellow tradesmen is how the elite and white-collar professional class don't care about or respect the blue collar working class. This disrespect comes out in many ways, big and small. But you can hear it a lot in the political rhetoric coming out of the progressive side these days. It was there in the COVID conversation, how work-from-home white collar folks pushed for endless lockdowns and vaccine mandates, to be imposed on the working class whose labor they relied on to stay home. It's there in the way they talk about a universal basic income instead of high-paying trade jobs, and in the way they push for low-wage green jobs instead of union energy jobs.

But you can really see it in how they talk about college. Take the latest issue that progressives are pushing the Biden administration on—student loan cancelation. They want us taxpayers to pay off the student loans of the college educated, who on average make more money than those without a degree, and for whom the economy recovered almost immediately post-COVID. Then they have the audacity to tell us that it will help blue collar workers. They want us to enthusiastically agree to pay off their student loan debt, and then have the nerve to tell us it's in our interest as Americans.

That's what I mean about disrespect. And it pervades the entire conversation about college in America today.

https://www.newsweek.com/divide-isnt-right-v-left-its-us-blue-collar-workers-fighting-elite-contempt-opinion-1706053

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the rich DC residents are angry that skilled dock workers elate earning more than Conchita, their maid from Guatemala.

I hope that tough union guy chokes out your Whole Foods and forces you to eat processed foods for a few months.

Dock workers work harder and do things as important as any lawyer or desk jockey. Only they risk their lives more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't Longshoremen make as much as a Junior Associate? Aren't they a lot more important? What would happen if lawyers went on strike?

Well, for one thing, the longshoremen would not be able to to off strike while the lawyers were on strke.

But the really reason is boring old supply and demand.

Funny enough, its the lawyers who manage to induce the demand and restrict the supply!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the rich DC residents are angry that skilled dock workers elate earning more than Conchita, their maid from Guatemala.

I hope that tough union guy chokes out your Whole Foods and forces you to eat processed foods for a few months.

Dock workers work harder and do things as important as any lawyer or desk jockey. Only they risk their lives more.

Thanks for the platitude, but not any real substance.

The head, Harold Dagget, is a Trump supporter about to retire. He’s corrupt as hell. Read about it. This strike is to help Trump and dagget is doing that.

Also, automated ports are 90% more efficient. It’s inevitable and the rest of the world is doing it successfully. This is one thing we really need to automate so we can have efficient supply chains. We need ports to run 24/7.

There are national security considerations. We do need to inspect the cranes and ensure the software is safe.

But there are just too many goods movement considerations. 90% of all our goods come by ship. We can’t have these unions arguing for a 77% pay raise and complete non-automation. It’s insane. It’s selfish and it’s what they are doing. This strike inflicts maximum pain.

They’ll concede to these strong arm demands. They will relent because Biden is demanding they do.

Meanwhile ports will build automated terminals where they can that can skirt these dock workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An aside is that there’s a viral panic forming on Facebook. I’ve seen many posts of a Costco with empty meat cases and empty toilet paper shelves. Yes these are probably shots from 2020. Most to is made in the U.S. and the strike only started yesterday.

Election wise, this shows that people understand what's disrupting our economy - the strike. So any inflation that comes from it won't hurt Harris like the union boss is hoping. Even if there's a recession now, everyone will blame it on the longshoreman union. That union leader is too bombastic for his own good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

It's Democrats who have been pointing out the bloated ceo pay in recent decades. So I assume all the dock workers are supporting Harris then?