Dockworker’s strike

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

And they can probably live in any country they want to. Remember that when you think you're going to tax people to death. They surrender and leave.

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

And they can probably live in any country they want to. Remember that when you think you're going to tax people to death. They surrender and leave.

Where do you think they are going to live, while paying less taxes and having the same safety and freedom as here in the USA? Also we tax US citizens even living overseas. If they want to become citizens of South Africa, good luck to them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

And they can probably live in any country they want to. Remember that when you think you're going to tax people to death. They surrender and leave.

None of them are American. Shipping is a global industry. Hapag-Lloyd is German and Maersk is Danish. They pay higher taxes too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An aside is that there’s a viral panic forming on Facebook. I’ve seen many posts of a Costco with empty meat cases and empty toilet paper shelves. Yes these are probably shots from 2020. Most to is made in the U.S. and the strike only started yesterday.

Election wise, this shows that people understand what's disrupting our economy - the strike. So any inflation that comes from it won't hurt Harris like the union boss is hoping. Even if there's a recession now, everyone will blame it on the longshoreman union. That union leader is too bombastic for his own good.

People will always - ALWAYS search for someone to blame when adversely affected. This is the human nature. How do you not know this? What people will do in an election year is blame the sitting leadership ie Biden/Harris for not being able to take away this prob. There is no way that the administration is not freaking about this and trying to figure out a way to make this go away as quickly as possible.

It's not about whose fault it is it's about taking the pain away.

[Anonymous]

I'm with the strikers even though I'm a white collar professional making $150k. I totally get it.

I also agree that white collar professions are highly prejudiced v blue collar workers thinking they are somehow less important, intelligent, worthy of x salary.

I actually encourage my kids to go into a trade. Blue collar very much about physical expertise. I don't agree that white collar professions are any better or harder than blue collar jobs and depending on the type of job it is I actually think you come out ahead in the trades. And intelligence and. Common sense are applicable to individuals not what they do for a living.

That all being said, I do think the dock workers have a real concern over the physical labor they do being taken over by machines. It's not a career choice that makes much sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An aside is that there’s a viral panic forming on Facebook. I’ve seen many posts of a Costco with empty meat cases and empty toilet paper shelves. Yes these are probably shots from 2020. Most to is made in the U.S. and the strike only started yesterday.

Election wise, this shows that people understand what's disrupting our economy - the strike. So any inflation that comes from it won't hurt Harris like the union boss is hoping. Even if there's a recession now, everyone will blame it on the longshoreman union. That union leader is too bombastic for his own good.

People will always - ALWAYS search for someone to blame when adversely affected. This is the human nature. How do you not know this? What people will do in an election year is blame the sitting leadership ie Biden/Harris for not being able to take away this prob. There is no way that the administration is not freaking about this and trying to figure out a way to make this go away as quickly as possible.

It's not about whose fault it is it's about taking the pain away.

As much as you might wish it, it's the longshoremen leader who will be blamed. People are already expecting it even though the strike hasn't started. They know it's the strike. Sorry, not sorry, but this will boomerang back at you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

The head of the longshoreman union makes $1 million a year, drives a Bentley and owned a 76 foot yacht. His son also happens to work for the union and makes almost $400,000 a year.

[Anonymous]

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/debunking-ila-dockworkers-claims-about-carrier-price-gouging

Daggett has been blatantly lying about container pricing as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So a month before the election we’re on the verge of a massive dockworker’s strike that will basically shut down US Atlantic ports. This seems like a huge disaster for Biden and Harris. What leverage do they have to step in?

I agree with WSJ’s take. This is all Bidens fault emboldening activist private unions who already got tons of raises and perks the last five years.
Now prices of everything will go up and there will be shortages.

Biden and Harris will continue to silently condone the crazy, cursing Daggett union leader. The asks are so outlandish and unsustainable they may as well keep things shut. Same losses and price increases either ways.

Union activists overplayed their hand, likely because they think Dems want inflation and price increases again in chance for their votes.

And the union and Biden /harris hope the average American is too dumb to realize this. Union good, companies bad! Pay more for unions!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

And they can probably live in any country they want to. Remember that when you think you're going to tax people to death. They surrender and leave.

Where do you think they are going to live, while paying less taxes and having the same safety and freedom as here in the USA? Also we tax US citizens even living overseas. If they want to become citizens of South Africa, good luck to them.

You mean you can’t just sneak across the land or sea border and go live with your cousin, pop out anchor babies, put them all on welfare, and work cash jobs there for decades and decades?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm with the strikers even though I'm a white collar professional making $150k. I totally get it.

I also agree that white collar professions are highly prejudiced v blue collar workers thinking they are somehow less important, intelligent, worthy of x salary.

I actually encourage my kids to go into a trade. Blue collar very much about physical expertise. I don't agree that white collar professions are any better or harder than blue collar jobs and depending on the type of job it is I actually think you come out ahead in the trades. And intelligence and. Common sense are applicable to individuals not what they do for a living.

That all being said, I do think the dock workers have a real concern over the physical labor they do being taken over by machines. It's not a career choice that makes much sense.

Wake up. This isn’t fixing a toilet washer.

Shipping crane operates make $200-300k a year union job only protections and have for decades. It’s a highly trained job with high insurance costs too. They don’t need to be striking but doing it now with weak Biden is Nothing to lose, everything to gain. And BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

So this is a lie. Under the current contract, the top rate is $39 an hour. The top, not the average. At the top, a longshoreman would need to work 16.5 hours a day, every single day of the year to hit $300k. And that’s assuming 1.5x once you hit 40 hours. Come on man. At least lie better.

Starting wage is $20 an hour. At that rate you could work 24/7/365 and not get to 300k.

https://wapo.st/4dJwiIF (Gift link, so read it and learn).

You're not including bonuses and profit sharing.

$153k in bonuses and profit sharing? Part of the reason they are striking is lack of profit sharing during a period of record profits.

There was profit sharing. They just want a larger piece of it.

The reason their share isn't bigger is because the longshoremen don't share in the downside. Shipping was hurting pretty bad in 2018-2020 before massively rebounding in 2021-2023. It does not have record profits right now.

How much do the company ceos and top management make?

The CEO of Hapoag-Lloyd makes $3 million, of which 1/3 is stock, and the captain of a Maersk ship has a starting salary of $27 an hour.

The head of the longshoreman union makes $1 million a year, drives a Bentley and owned a 76 foot yacht. His son also happens to work for the union and makes almost $400,000 a year.

Yay Union mafia!!

Go public and private unions! Now is the time, Unite!

[Anonymous]

Shipping companies already increased pay yesterday from +40% to +50%, under pressure from the White House”.

Union wants more still. Asking for +70% pay increases over six years.

[Anonymous]

78 yo Daggett wants to retire a union hero and driving shipping costs in America into the ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ah, dockworkers. I remember their scams like yesterday growing up in NJ. The hourly rate is such a scam. Most are claiming time and a half and double time overtime, all sorts of bonuses, etc.

The most likely place you’ll not find a dockworker is at the docks.

And they all get instantaneously disabled upon early retirement for more scam pay annually until death.