Will Trump drop Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:We should start calling him JD Identifies-As-Vance because that's not the name he was born with.

Has anyone tracked down the houses he grew up in? A nurse mom and CDL truck driver step-dad is not some dire upbringing. And then grandpa was a retired union rep, who "JD" says would randomly come home with new Chevys and Oldsmobiles. Again, not a dire lifestyle.

Are you forgetting he was in and out of foster care and his grandparents had to (mostly) raise him because his mom step dad(s) were too unstable? His mom being a top student in high school is irrelevant. Good parents don’t get their kids put in foster care. He did not have some idyllic middle class childhood and I don’t get why people are trying so hard to say he did.

You’re dodging the question: What sort of houses did he spend MOST of his youth in? He didn’t live in seedy motels or section 8 houses like actual poor people. He lived in nice single family homes owned by family MOST of his upbringing. His book is exaggerations and lies. .

ANd ironically, something that wasn't even IN the book—the couch sex—is what's dominating the news cycle.

Can you imagine Trump's team right now? "JD, get the f&*^ in here. The President wants to know, "Did you or did you not f#* a couch?"

But even worse, Trump KNOWS people lie about their freaky sexy stuff and he loves to gossip. He's a guy who thinks like Page Six. It doesn't matter if Vance denies it, Trump will assume he's lying and is a freak. And as much as Trump loves salacious details, he abhors freaks. Of course, if Vance cops to it, Trump will think he's a wimp for surrendering AND a freak.

Vance is in a bind on this either way.

+1 It’s not like Trump will actually pick up the book and read it to find out what’s in it.

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Do you have any critical thinking? If his mother was so terrible why does he trot her out at campaign events? Normally a child would go no contact with a terribly abusive parent. I believe she had a pill problem while she was a nurse. In the movies she slaps him around and he goes to live with his grandmother when he’s about 14. There’s no mention of foster care.
I believe he had a miserable child hood because he thinks he’s smarter than anyone else and had no friends. He spent all his time indoors brooding about how terrible his life was. I think he has huge mommy issues and that’s why he says awful things about women. He’s too emotionally fragile to be in line to the presidency.

+1 and also he was quite chubby as a youth and still suffers from that insecurity, coupled with feeling intellectually superior to his MAGA audiences so he comes across as condescending. That Mountain Dew thing was excruciating to watch.

He looks scarier than he actually is. He grew the beard to look tough.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have any critical thinking? If his mother was so terrible why does he trot her out at campaign events? Normally a child would go no contact with a terribly abusive parent. I believe she had a pill problem while she was a nurse. In the movies she slaps him around and he goes to live with his grandmother when he’s about 14. There’s no mention of foster care.
I believe he had a miserable child hood because he thinks he’s smarter than anyone else and had no friends. He spent all his time indoors brooding about how terrible his life was. I think he has huge mommy issues and that’s why he says awful things about women. He’s too emotionally fragile to be in line to the presidency.

+1 and also he was quite chubby as a youth and still suffers from that insecurity, coupled with feeling intellectually superior to his MAGA audiences so he comes across as condescending. That Mountain Dew thing was excruciating to watch.

He looks scarier than he actually is. He grew the beard to look tough.



I'm no fan of his from what I have seen and read, but I think you're reading too much into all of this. I do think, though, that a lot of recent presidents (on both sides) have had "daddy" or "mommy" issues.

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Anonymous wrote:He sets off my gaydar.

No girlfriends before his wife. Sought out gay billionaire to be his mentor.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely. That guy has landed like a ton of bricks. Business community HATES him.

And it's the only way he can do anything to break some of Harris' momentum.

The bad news is it will be very hard to do, he'll have to choose someone softer (which will enrage his base) and it still won't make a dent in K's momentum.

Peter Thiel is a major Vance backer. Thiel or his funds have a finger in every major Silicon Valley company and many outside of it. Thiel is (reprehensible and) hugely influential.


So no, the business community does not hate Vance.


Meanwhile, it’s unlikely that either nominee on the ticket can be changed at this stage. Even if he drops out or dies, his name is on the ticket. They’re locked in. If you think he is disliked, that should be good news.


As for Harris momentum, we have yet to see; just too early to tell. She had an early spike of interest and enthusiasm but so would almost any Biden replacement. “Momentum” is probably overstating the case at only two days into her candidacy.

That's the tech community, not the business community.

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Anonymous wrote:There have been a bunch of articles including conservative leaning ones that Vance was a huge mistake. Can the Republicans drop him even though they have finished the convention and formal nomination.

Citations?

“Trump campaign officials acknowledged that Trump selected the inexperienced Vance, charged with all his techno-authoritarian ideas, to boost support among their own base, not extend a hand to swing voters, according to The Atlantic. Vance was a symbol of the Trump team’s assuredness that they would win in 2024. Come Sunday, that assuredness appears to be shrinking.”
https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris

And this is the Atlantic article referenced
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campaign-biden-dropping-out/679183/

new republic is not a credible source. The Atlantic link has a paywall.

Besides, nothing in the new republic article mentions anything you are claiming. You are spreading disinformation.

“Most striking thing I heard from Trump allies yesterday was the second-guessing of JD Vance—a selection, they acknowledged, that was [born] of cockiness, meant to run up margins with the base in a blowout rather than persuade swing voters in a nail-biter,” Atlantic staff writer Tim Alberta, who had written the piece about the panicking Trump campaign, posted on X (formerly Twitter).

Who? Names? Who are the Trump “allies” being used as sources? First the author claims he heard from the trump campaign, then Trump allies. But all sources are completely anonymous.

There may be more information behind the paywall, but new republic has nothing so meh, neither does The Atlantic. Nice try.

Usha, is that you?

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Carry him to term!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have any critical thinking? If his mother was so terrible why does he trot her out at campaign events? Normally a child would go no contact with a terribly abusive parent. I believe she had a pill problem while she was a nurse. In the movies she slaps him around and he goes to live with his grandmother when he’s about 14. There’s no mention of foster care.
I believe he had a miserable child hood because he thinks he’s smarter than anyone else and had no friends. He spent all his time indoors brooding about how terrible his life was. I think he has huge mommy issues and that’s why he says awful things about women. He’s too emotionally fragile to be in line to the presidency.

+1 and also he was quite chubby as a youth and still suffers from that insecurity, coupled with feeling intellectually superior to his MAGA audiences so he comes across as condescending. That Mountain Dew thing was excruciating to watch.

He looks scarier than he actually is. He grew the beard to look tough.



People with these dysfunctional childhoods have such a warped view of the world. His childhood experience is out of the norm but he extrapolates from it that everyone poorer than upper middle class has a substance abuse problem, drinks mtn dew, has facial hair, and whatnot. He is an actor doing an impression of what he imagines his party's base is.

Most people voting R are just fed up with open borders and soft on crime D politicians. They will hold their nose to vote for T and V, but they are nothing like this his yokel hillbilly family.

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Anonymous wrote:He sets off my gaydar.

Are you Gay? Straight people don’t get to have Gaydar.

Everyone is at least a little gay.

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Anonymous wrote:There have been a bunch of articles including conservative leaning ones that Vance was a huge mistake. Can the Republicans drop him even though they have finished the convention and formal nomination.

Citations?

“Trump campaign officials acknowledged that Trump selected the inexperienced Vance, charged with all his techno-authoritarian ideas, to boost support among their own base, not extend a hand to swing voters, according to The Atlantic. Vance was a symbol of the Trump team’s assuredness that they would win in 2024. Come Sunday, that assuredness appears to be shrinking.”
https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris

And this is the Atlantic article referenced
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campaign-biden-dropping-out/679183/

new republic is not a credible source. The Atlantic link has a paywall.

Besides, nothing in the new republic article mentions anything you are claiming. You are spreading disinformation.

“Most striking thing I heard from Trump allies yesterday was the second-guessing of JD Vance—a selection, they acknowledged, that was [born] of cockiness, meant to run up margins with the base in a blowout rather than persuade swing voters in a nail-biter,” Atlantic staff writer Tim Alberta, who had written the piece about the panicking Trump campaign, posted on X (formerly Twitter).

Who? Names? Who are the Trump “allies” being used as sources? First the author claims he heard from the trump campaign, then Trump allies. But all sources are completely anonymous.

There may be more information behind the paywall, but new republic has nothing so meh, neither does The Atlantic. Nice try.

So kind of like how Obama allies were cited but not named that Biden was dropping out? I don’t think Vance is going anywhere, because he can’t, but I think they realize they made a massive mistake. Or do you want to hear Vance’s views on abortion, domestic abuse and divorce again? Because I don’t think those are going to help with any voter who has a heart.

My 20 y.o. DS, who is fairly political and a little sour on Dems due to Gaza, is most struck by the Project 2025 tenet on no-fault divorce. He thinks the whole package is horrible, but he is disturbed by how a guy wants to force his wife to remain with him when she wants to leave. These young kids get the misogynist GOP agenda - the cruelty is not lost on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have any critical thinking? If his mother was so terrible why does he trot her out at campaign events? Normally a child would go no contact with a terribly abusive parent. I believe she had a pill problem while she was a nurse. In the movies she slaps him around and he goes to live with his grandmother when he’s about 14. There’s no mention of foster care.
I believe he had a miserable child hood because he thinks he’s smarter than anyone else and had no friends. He spent all his time indoors brooding about how terrible his life was. I think he has huge mommy issues and that’s why he says awful things about women. He’s too emotionally fragile to be in line to the presidency.

+1 and also he was quite chubby as a youth and still suffers from that insecurity, coupled with feeling intellectually superior to his MAGA audiences so he comes across as condescending. That Mountain Dew thing was excruciating to watch.

He looks scarier than he actually is. He grew the beard to look tough.

His mom is clearly in on this hoax.

Here's a short profile of his family in People. I did not realize his mother had been married 5 times! Mother of the Year she was not. I felt a bit sorry for him reading this, especially for the child he once was. Kind of reminds me of Bill Clinton's upbringing with a mom who was married 5 times also (two husbands died and one she remarried--but still). One of the husbands was abusive. Makes you wonder how much childhood trauma informs some leaders' oversized ambition to run for office and become president.

https://people.com/all-about-jd-vance-parents-8678608

Which one of Trump’s spawn is going to run?

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Anonymous wrote:He sets off my gaydar.

Yikes! Did not realize he was chubby once. Has Trump seen this? He hates fat people (despite the fact that he himself is obese). Not fat hate here--I've always struggled with my weight--just pointing out that this Trump has a hard time tolerating overweight people.

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Anonymous wrote:He sets off my gaydar.

No girlfriends before his wife. Sought out gay billionaire to be his mentor.

And what's up with the eyeliner?

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely. That guy has landed like a ton of bricks. Business community HATES him.

And it's the only way he can do anything to break some of Harris' momentum.

The bad news is it will be very hard to do, he'll have to choose someone softer (which will enrage his base) and it still won't make a dent in K's momentum.

Peter Thiel is a major Vance backer. Thiel or his funds have a finger in every major Silicon Valley company and many outside of it. Thiel is (reprehensible and) hugely influential.


So no, the business community does not hate Vance.


Meanwhile, it’s unlikely that either nominee on the ticket can be changed at this stage. Even if he drops out or dies, his name is on the ticket. They’re locked in. If you think he is disliked, that should be good news.


As for Harris momentum, we have yet to see; just too early to tell. She had an early spike of interest and enthusiasm but so would almost any Biden replacement. “Momentum” is probably overstating the case at only two days into her candidacy.

That's the tech community, not the business community.

Only the tech bro community. I work in tech and everyone I know thinks Thiel and Vance are douchey.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely. That guy has landed like a ton of bricks. Business community HATES him.

And it's the only way he can do anything to break some of Harris' momentum.

The bad news is it will be very hard to do, he'll have to choose someone softer (which will enrage his base) and it still won't make a dent in K's momentum.

Peter Thiel is a major Vance backer. Thiel or his funds have a finger in every major Silicon Valley company and many outside of it. Thiel is (reprehensible and) hugely influential.


So no, the business community does not hate Vance.


Meanwhile, it’s unlikely that either nominee on the ticket can be changed at this stage. Even if he drops out or dies, his name is on the ticket. They’re locked in. If you think he is disliked, that should be good news.


As for Harris momentum, we have yet to see; just too early to tell. She had an early spike of interest and enthusiasm but so would almost any Biden replacement. “Momentum” is probably overstating the case at only two days into her candidacy.

That's the tech community, not the business community.

Only the tech bro community. I work in tech and everyone I know thinks Thiel and Vance are douchey.

And now even Thiel thinks Vance is douchey. Yikes.