Rob Reiner: a vote for No Labels, Bobby Kennedy, Cornel West or Jill Stein is a vote for Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Voters don't like being told this kind of stuff.

Voters won't like the consequences of their idiotic "protest" vote when they find all their rights are being taken away by a Fascist Trump government.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-most-unhinged-plans-for-his-second-term/ar-AA1k5Gxl

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-radical-second-term-agenda-would-wield-executive-power-in-unprecedented-ways/ar-AA1k3vsK

Trump’s plan includes asserting more White House control over the Justice Department, an institution the former president has said he would utilize to seek revenge on his critics, including former allies.

“I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family,” the former president said in June after his arraignment in Florida. “I will totally obliterate the Deep State.”

“If I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them,” he said.

Part of Trump’s plans would reclassify tens of thousands of civil service workers — who typically remain on the job as presidents and their administrations change — as at-will employees, a move that would make it much easier to fire them.

Trump said in a March video that he would sign an executive order doing so, which he said would allow him “to remove rogue bureaucrats.” He vowed to “wield that power very aggressively.”

“We will clean out all of the corrupt actors in our National Security and Intelligence apparatus, and there are plenty of them,” Trump said. “The departments and agencies that have been weaponized will be completely overhauled so that faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute conservatives, Christians, or the left’s political enemies.”

The plans would include rounding up undocumented immigrants already in the US and placing them in detention camps to await deportation

The former president has said he would require local law enforcement agencies to use the controversial police practice of stop-and-frisk in order to receive some Justice Department funding.

Another policy aimed at combating homelessness calls for the creation of “tent cities” on “inexpensive land” that would be staffed by health care workers, giving people a choice between relocating or facing jail time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voters don't like being told this kind of stuff.

Voters won't like the consequences of their idiotic "protest" vote when they find all their rights are being taken away by a Fascist Trump government.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-most-unhinged-plans-for-his-second-term/ar-AA1k5Gxl

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-radical-second-term-agenda-would-wield-executive-power-in-unprecedented-ways/ar-AA1k3vsK

Trump’s plan includes asserting more White House control over the Justice Department, an institution the former president has said he would utilize to seek revenge on his critics, including former allies.

“I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family,” the former president said in June after his arraignment in Florida. “I will totally obliterate the Deep State.”

“If I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them,” he said.

Part of Trump’s plans would reclassify tens of thousands of civil service workers — who typically remain on the job as presidents and their administrations change — as at-will employees, a move that would make it much easier to fire them.

Trump said in a March video that he would sign an executive order doing so, which he said would allow him “to remove rogue bureaucrats.” He vowed to “wield that power very aggressively.”

“We will clean out all of the corrupt actors in our National Security and Intelligence apparatus, and there are plenty of them,” Trump said. “The departments and agencies that have been weaponized will be completely overhauled so that faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute conservatives, Christians, or the left’s political enemies.”

The plans would include rounding up undocumented immigrants already in the US and placing them in detention camps to await deportation

The former president has said he would require local law enforcement agencies to use the controversial police practice of stop-and-frisk in order to receive some Justice Department funding.

Another policy aimed at combating homelessness calls for the creation of “tent cities” on “inexpensive land” that would be staffed by health care workers, giving people a choice between relocating or facing jail time.

Let’s talk about how this state of affairs was caused in no small measure by an entrenched+insular clique at the top of the Democrats. If you have no inclination for engaging that, you will cede all kinds of opportunities to others, including Trump. We’re nearly 10 years from the first Trump campaign and most of you have barely considered your world might have mis-directed. It’s pathetic!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s talk about how this state of affairs was caused in no small measure by an entrenched+insular clique at the top of the Democrats. If you have no inclination for engaging that, you will cede all kinds of opportunities to others, including Trump. We’re nearly 10 years from the first Trump campaign and most of you have barely considered your world might have mis-directed. It’s pathetic!

Does this poorly written (seriously; bot?) post make sense to anyone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s talk about how this state of affairs was caused in no small measure by an entrenched+insular clique at the top of the Democrats. If you have no inclination for engaging that, you will cede all kinds of opportunities to others, including Trump. We’re nearly 10 years from the first Trump campaign and most of you have barely considered your world might have mis-directed. It’s pathetic!

Does this poorly written (seriously; bot?) post make sense to anyone?

The denial is strong in this one!

[Anonymous]

Many, many scholars lay the blame on right wing media, but sure, let’s have a discussion about the not-perfect Dems who at least aren’t emulating Nazis.

I say again - less than one year. We have less than one year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s talk about how this state of affairs was caused in no small measure by an entrenched+insular clique at the top of the Democrats. If you have no inclination for engaging that, you will cede all kinds of opportunities to others, including Trump. We’re nearly 10 years from the first Trump campaign and most of you have barely considered your world might have mis-directed. It’s pathetic!

Does this poorly written (seriously; bot?) post make sense to anyone?

The denial is strong in this one!

Maybe try re-wording for clarity, because it seriously makes no sense. Maybe I have to be in the GOP cult? Is it like a message you’ve received from The Leader?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s talk about how this state of affairs was caused in no small measure by an entrenched+insular clique at the top of the Democrats. If you have no inclination for engaging that, you will cede all kinds of opportunities to others, including Trump. We’re nearly 10 years from the first Trump campaign and most of you have barely considered your world might have mis-directed. It’s pathetic!

Does this poorly written (seriously; bot?) post make sense to anyone?

It's just more third party garbage gobbledygook to avoid the fact simple that either trump or biden is going to be the next president and trump is so so so much worse. Is is a desperate attempt to avoid that obvious reality and try to protect trump from getting deservedly squashed again.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

Whatever is in the list of complaints, at the end of day it will be trump or Biden. Trump is the one largely responsible for Biden anyway. He was nominated to beat trump so good job Dems on that one.

Complain all you want but you still are stuck with trump or Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Lol, you definitely don’t need to care about me because I also wouldn’t be personally impacted or hurt by a Trump presidency but at the same time find him morally repugnant and would never cast a vote for him. Perhaps that is why I find all of this catastrophic “you must vote for Biden at all costs even if he is terrible” wholly unconvincing.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Lol, you definitely don’t need to care about me because I also wouldn’t be personally impacted or hurt by a Trump presidency but at the same time find him morally repugnant and would never cast a vote for him. Perhaps that is why I find all of this catastrophic “you must vote for Biden at all costs even if he is terrible” wholly unconvincing.

Just type “ I lack imagination and empathy”
It’s faster