Rob Reiner: a vote for No Labels, Bobby Kennedy, Cornel West or Jill Stein is a vote for Trump

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

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You all understand this forum will no longer exist after Republicans win in 2024 so vote accordingly

North Korea Russia have restrictions on websites this one will cease to exist

You idiots don’t think about these freedoms you will be losing.


Prepare people it’s over Republicans are going to install a king and life in the US will be horrific

Think you will be able to express your views hahaha own guns haha idiots all of you.

The gun thing is fact you think the party in power is going to let you keep something that could remove them from power.

I’m not over the top you all all not paying attention

Project 2025 just the beginning

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

What contender is winning what state? Let us know

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

What contender is winning what state? Let us know

Al Gore would easily take Iowa and Minnesota. He's old but not as old as Trump and Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:You all understand this forum will no longer exist after Republicans win in 2024 so vote accordingly

North Korea Russia have restrictions on websites this one will cease to exist

You idiots don’t think about these freedoms you will be losing.


Prepare people it’s over Republicans are going to install a king and life in the US will be horrific

Think you will be able to express your views hahaha own guns haha idiots all of you.

The gun thing is fact you think the party in power is going to let you keep something that could remove them from power.

I’m not over the top you all all not paying attention

Project 2025 just the beginning

I agree to some extent but what are we supposed to do? March on Washington to demand that Biden not run in 2024 so we can get a candidate that will definitely beat Trump? Sounds simple on the surface but really, how does that play out. Hey Joe, for the sake of our nation's future, please back out of the 2024 presidential race. Good luck with that one!

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

What contender is winning what state? Let us know

Al Gore would easily take Iowa and Minnesota. He's old but not as old as Trump and Biden.

Old al gore with Iowa and Minnesota is not taking the white house. Not even close

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

What contender is winning what state? Let us know

Al Gore would easily take Iowa and Minnesota. He's old but not as old as Trump and Biden.

Old al gore with Iowa and Minnesota is not taking the white house. Not even close

I'll take Al over the other two clowns any day.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

What contender is winning what state? Let us know

Al Gore would easily take Iowa and Minnesota. He's old but not as old as Trump and Biden.

Old al gore with Iowa and Minnesota is not taking the white house. Not even close

I'll take Al over the other two clowns any day.

Iowa will go to trump. Not gore or Biden or anyone else. Next?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Have you not seen what has happened to other elderly politicians of late? Why would I want to take the chance of a similar decline in the leader of the free world? I am also just not impressed with what he’s accomplished. It’s been a very meh presidency. The people you keep berating are not the voters who chose him. We’re not siding with the Republicans, but we are saying the Democrat nominee is terrible and that is why a vote for a 3rd candidate takes away from Biden. If Biden was such an appealing candidate you wouldn’t have to be obsessed with No Labels. But because he’s not a good candidate, here we are.

You know what’s fun about poster like you? I don’t have to care about you. I inherited SO MUCH MONEY from Trump’s tax cut. My family sold a 300 million dollar company and we got to keep so much more of that because of Trump. I didn’t vote for him, and I’ll never vote for him, but it makes me feel so much better. I did my part. If the people most likely hurt by is presidency don’t care, why should I worry? I’m not having any more children, and my daughter has the means to one day spend her entire pregnancy abroad should we become concerned about her healthcare. We don’t have mortgages. We don’t worry about funding college. So whatever. Cast a vote that moves you further away from you goals. I’m just gonna live off interest and not worry about it.

Ok but you don't really matter much. But your vote is basically inconsequential in presidential elections. You are a tiny minority of voters and I doubt you live in a swing state. Your biggest threat or benefit in term of elections of what you do with your money/power, if anything, to support certain outcomes.

I live in a purple state. My vote matters.
As far as donations…. I don’t have Pritzker money… yet 😉
But everything I’m reading now states that the game has really changed to small dollar donations. So I’m gonna send 20 bucks here and there and call it day!
And not lose a wink of sleep. Good luck getting a second Trump presidency to forgive your student loans, or support trade unions. Good luck with prenatal healthcare. We are all
Stuck in the sh++y world Trump ushers in and the very possible break down of democracy, but let’s be real… “they” aren’t coming for me. I’m in the group. It’s a club and I’m in it, whether I asked to join or not.
So take your vote where ever you want! Feel all your feelings about Biden not winning you over. You are entitled to it. Wonder what you will be entitled to in a second Trump term….

Biden supporter here. Let them eat cake is not really a good look for the Dems, or the GOP for that matter. You clearly can let anybody eat cake and go about your business just fine but if you are not helping any candidate or any kind with that message.

I’m to in charge of messaging. Just not all sympathetic to purists that want to cut off their own noses. Contrarians aren’t winnable. Stop worrying about people that aren’t worried about themselves. You can’t care more about them, than they care about themselves. There are reachable voters out there. These aren’t them.

The contrarians on here are just trolls trying to pretend third party candidates are not spoilers. The correct message is that they do function as spoilers so don't be an ignorant fool.

Your vote is going to have the effect of helping trump or helping Biden. Deal with that. If you don't care, then do whatever you want. If you are not comatose and actually can form an opinion about which if these very very very different options is better, then vote accordingly.

I’ve already said who I’m voting for.

They definitely used to function as spoilers but with candidates as awful as Trump and Biden heading our two dysfunctional major parties, they could be legitimate contenders in 2024.

Wrong. What third party candidate is taking what state? Can't wait to hear this.

Could be legitimate contenders if and only if Biden and Trump both stay in the race. If either back out, they would be replaced by a normal candidate and 3rd parties would go back to having zero chance.

What contender is winning what state? Let us know

Al Gore would easily take Iowa and Minnesota. He's old but not as old as Trump and Biden.

Old al gore with Iowa and Minnesota is not taking the white house. Not even close

I'll take Al over the other two clowns any day.

Iowa will go to trump. Not gore or Biden or anyone else. Next?

I think Iowans are too smart to go Trump or Biden.