Rob Reiner: a vote for No Labels, Bobby Kennedy, Cornel West or Jill Stein is a vote for Trump

[Anonymous]

Jill Stein has dined with Putin. Why is she allowed to walk freely here?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? Biden's support for Israel is rock-solid.

He has yet to call for the expulsion of anti-semites like Illhan Omar, AOC, and others from Congress. He has called for ‘humanitarian pauses,’ which is a code word for a ceasefire, and has increasingly questioned the Israeli war strategy. Additionally, he established a committee against Islamophobia rather than strengthening programs against antisemitism, all while thousands March in the street calling for our genocide.

Unconditional, loud support is all we ask for, and he has refused to give it.

Does the President have the power to expel members of Congress?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric.

They've been vocal about it because it's true. Either Biden or Trump will be president. Each vote denied to Biden increases Trump's chance of winning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric.

They've been vocal about it because it's true. Either Biden or Trump will be president. Each vote denied to Biden increases Trump's chance of winning.

This is the math.

Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. Think of all the damage they did and allllll the progress we lost when those four people torpedoed three separate elections. And knowing that Sanders and Stein (and now Bobby, Cornel and No Labels and Kanye) were and are all boosted by the GOP in order to siphon off votes.

These facts and some pps ignoring these facts really add up to something fishy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric.

They've been vocal about it because it's true. Either Biden or Trump will be president. Each vote denied to Biden increases Trump's chance of winning.

This is the math.

Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. Think of all the damage they did and allllll the progress we lost when those four people torpedoed three separate elections. And knowing that Sanders and Stein (and now Bobby, Cornel and No Labels and Kanye) were and are all boosted by the GOP in order to siphon off votes.

These facts and some pps ignoring these facts really add up to something fishy.

Yes, it may feel good to stick to to "The Man" - but these so-called "rebels" are just useful idiots for the GOP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Because I don’t think they’re doing “a decent job” and I think claims of Trump’s destructiveness and harm to the country are overblown. That’s why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric.

They've been vocal about it because it's true. Either Biden or Trump will be president. Each vote denied to Biden increases Trump's chance of winning.

This is the math.

Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. Think of all the damage they did and allllll the progress we lost when those four people torpedoed three separate elections. And knowing that Sanders and Stein (and now Bobby, Cornel and No Labels and Kanye) were and are all boosted by the GOP in order to siphon off votes.

These facts and some pps ignoring these facts really add up to something fishy.

Yes, it may feel good to stick to to "The Man" - but these so-called "rebels" are just useful idiots for the GOP

Are you the DNC approved messenger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[img]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Because I don’t think they’re doing “a decent job” and I think claims of Trump’s destructiveness and harm to the country are overblown. That’s why.

Then you aren’t worth our time. You’re too far gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[img]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Because I don’t think they’re doing “a decent job” and I think claims of Trump’s destructiveness and harm to the country are overblown. That’s why.

Then you aren’t worth our time. You’re too far gone.

+1

For anyone actually thinking that the “Biden is old and that’s the worst thing in the world” line is compelling: our democracy is hanging on by a thread. Voting for anyone but a straight Democratic ticket is going to sever it, forever.

Here’s a list of mostly Republicans as to why a Republican elected to President would destroy America: https://www.salon.com/2023/11/16/our-democracy-hangs-by-a-thread-expert-panel-says-a-victory-in-2024-will-end-it/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[img]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have a vested interest in maintaining a two-party system because it guarantees their place at the table. This might be good for career politicians but it's not good for voters because, in the end, we don't really have a choice and democracy is just a joke. Every year we play the same stupid game of voting for the same people and the same party. Votes are now taken for granted because there's no viable third party.

And has anyone done to break the stalemate, apart from swinging for the fences every four years and whining that the system is rigged?

No, because both parties enjoy the status quo. This thread is all about not voting third party. Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric. It's like the DNC is scared of a little competition. It's the DNC's job to convince people to vote for Biden. Instead, it's been a campaign of why voters shouldn't vote for a third party candidate.

This. There is very little self-awareness or willingness to think what is it about our party and our chosen candidate that people do not want to vote for them and what can we do to fix that. Instead it’s just people incessantly repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden you’re supporting Trump, destroying democracy, etc. No, it was actually your responsibility if you want my vote to put forward a solid candidate for me to choose. Instead you gave us 80 year old Joe Biden. Own the deficiencies with the candidate you decided to put forward.

Other than Biden being old, and him having been chosen by a majority of Democratic primary voters who knew how old he was, why oh why are you singling out the party that’s actually doing a decent job? Why oh why are you both sidesing with the party that’s palling around with Putin, committing treason, overthrowing the government, crushing democracy, cheating to win, denying reality… why is that?

Because I don’t think they’re doing “a decent job” and I think claims of Trump’s destructiveness and harm to the country are overblown. That’s why.

Then you aren’t worth our time. You’re too far gone.

+1

For anyone actually thinking that the “Biden is old and that’s the worst thing in the world” line is compelling: our democracy is hanging on by a thread. Voting for anyone but a straight Democratic ticket is going to sever it, forever.

Here’s a list of mostly Republicans as to why a Republican elected to President would destroy America: https://www.salon.com/2023/11/16/our-democracy-hangs-by-a-thread-expert-panel-says-a-victory-in-2024-will-end-it/

Absolutely. We must put Country over Party and unite behind Biden.

[Anonymous]

m’eh, I’m voting for Trump if he’s on the ballot.

Things were better then. It’s really just that simple. I don’t owe Democrats or Joe Biden anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both Nancy and Hillary have been vocal about "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump" rhetoric.

They've been vocal about it because it's true. Either Biden or Trump will be president. Each vote denied to Biden increases Trump's chance of winning.

This is the math.

Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. Think of all the damage they did and allllll the progress we lost when those four people torpedoed three separate elections. And knowing that Sanders and Stein (and now Bobby, Cornel and No Labels and Kanye) were and are all boosted by the GOP in order to siphon off votes.

These facts and some pps ignoring these facts really add up to something fishy.

Yes, it may feel good to stick to to "The Man" - but these so-called "rebels" are just useful idiots for the GOP

Are you the DNC approved messenger?

DP. You are delusional. The DNC does not “control” the Democratic Party. It is just the national coordinating and fundraising entity. It doesn’t select nominees. It doesn’t set the political agenda. It isn’t the boss of the President or Senators or House Members or Governors or any Democratic elected official. The Democratic Party is a coalition party of people and groups with similar interests but its elected officials have their own agendas and are elected or not by the voters in their state or district.

[Anonymous]

I like some of the things Bobby Kennedy says.