At least 8 people shot & killed in Allen, TX mall today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

For what purpose? In my brief reading of what this guy was putting in the public sphere he basically seems mad that he (and people like him) are not in charge of everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

What rage do our mass shooters have that's not present in all of the other countries that don't have anything like this level of problem?

Diverting the conversation by asking "rage" or "mental health" questions is purposeful to lead away from productive and direct methods to minimize gun-related deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

For what purpose? In my brief reading of what this guy was putting in the public sphere he basically seems mad that he (and people like him) are not in charge of everything.

The internet has made it easy for disturbed losers to find some victimhood conspiracy ideology to latch onto as justification and encouragement to direct their anger into violence against innocent people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

For what purpose? In my brief reading of what this guy was putting in the public sphere he basically seems mad that he (and people like him) are not in charge of everything.

The internet has made it easy for disturbed losers to find some victimhood conspiracy ideology to latch onto as justification and encouragement to direct their anger into violence against innocent people.

If we're doing triage for this mass killing epidemic from which the U.S. is suffering, liberal access to guns is easily the top issue. That said, our population could do with a concerted education campaign on critical reading, evaluation of sources, and manipulation techniques used by those who want to influence you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

For what purpose? In my brief reading of what this guy was putting in the public sphere he basically seems mad that he (and people like him) are not in charge of everything.

The internet has made it easy for disturbed losers to find some victimhood conspiracy ideology to latch onto as justification and encouragement to direct their anger into violence against innocent people.

It's a 2-for-1, which makes it all disheartening that anything will ever get better. The Right Wing internet/tv machines enflames the rage, while their politicians are making access to guns (and the ability to open carry) easier and easier. They're collectively providing the fuel and the flame, and it's going to get a hell of a lot worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shooter identified as Mauricio Martinez Garcia

“The gunman who opened fire on an outlet mall in a Dallas suburb Saturday, killing at least eight people, was a man in his early 30s who may have had white supremacist or neo-Nazi beliefs, people familiar with the investigation said Sunday.

They said a patch the gunman was wearing on his chest at the time of the shooting suggested the potential white supremacist leanings. Authorities have not released a motive.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/07/texas-allen-outlets-shooting-dallas/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f001

A Hispanic white supremacist? Sounds incredulous.

And, the photo on Twitter of the victims on the ground appear white.

Way to make incorrect assumptions before we knew the victims' identities.

[Anonymous]

Stop asking why a wannabe Nazi would shoot white people. It’s a stupid question. He wasn’t there targeting actual oppressors or threats to him or his fascist online community. He shot innocent children and their innocent parents and other innocent shoppers at a mall. Even if they had been Black or Jewish or Transgender, there’s no justification in any ideology for targeting innocent powerless people who were doing nothing objectionable to anyone. In his mind he might believe he has a beef with the government or media or Blacks or Jews or women or space lasers or some other imaginary oppressor, but his actions show he was yet any other delusional young man who despised himself but took it out on everybody else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

For what purpose? In my brief reading of what this guy was putting in the public sphere he basically seems mad that he (and people like him) are not in charge of everything.

The internet has made it easy for disturbed losers to find some victimhood conspiracy ideology to latch onto as justification and encouragement to direct their anger into violence against innocent people.

It's a 2-for-1, which makes it all disheartening that anything will ever get better. The Right Wing internet/tv machines enflames the rage, while their politicians are making access to guns (and the ability to open carry) easier and easier. They're collectively providing the fuel and the flame, and it's going to get a hell of a lot worse.

+1

This is absolutely correct.

[Anonymous]

Just realized the white supremacist that killed so many at the El Paso Walmart in 2019 was also from Allen,TX. That’s quite the coincidence. Must be something in the water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just realized the white supremacist that killed so many at the El Paso Walmart in 2019 was also from Allen,TX. That’s quite the coincidence. Must be something in the water.

Changing demographics of an area correlated pretty strongly with pro-Trump intensity by white voters and participating in January 6th.

[Anonymous]

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But this is exactly what they don’t want. They’ve struck down restrictions aimed at limiting access for those with mental health issues, criminal records, etc.

+1 This was literally the first thing the Republicans did when they got the House, Senate and White House in 2017.

Because there is money to be made from businesses selling guns and ammo and, for Republicans, that is all that matters.

Anyone know when the next mass shooting is?

Couldn’t there also be money to be made from selling registration services, licensing practice, safety supplies that complies wirh regulation, etc. I feel like a totally new market could emerge if gun regulations were strengthened.

Absolutely. Huge money making potential there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The families of victims need to be able to sue the manufacturers of assault weapons. Remove the profitability of those weapons. It’s the only chance we have of making real change.

Sandy Hook parents have started this process… there’s a slight chance this could happen.

It’s been 10 yrs! I think there are currently laws preventing this -protecting the manufacturers!

The Sandy Hook families got a huge settlement a year ago despite the laws. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/sandy-hook-families-settlement.html

Thank you, I had missed that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

Not all of them are full of emotion (rage, etc). I would argue that the majority of the shooters actually have little to no emotion. Or are completely detached. Unable to feel empathy or remorse. Some likely since birth, others developed it on the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just realized the white supremacist that killed so many at the El Paso Walmart in 2019 was also from Allen,TX. That’s quite the coincidence. Must be something in the water.

The shooter at the mall in Allen wasn’t from Allen, he was from North Dallas. He targeted Allen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just realized the white supremacist that killed so many at the El Paso Walmart in 2019 was also from Allen,TX. That’s quite the coincidence. Must be something in the water.

the Allen shooter isnt from Allen. He’s from Dallas