Florida expands "Don't say gay" law to k-12

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't have liked teachers promoting homosexuality to me in high school. I didn't even like it in college when the Shakespeare professor made a weak argument that Shakespeare was gay, and saying these are gay plays, at one point saying Greeks though the ideal relationship was between men and boys.

I don't know if Shakespeare was gay, but there is a stronger argument to be made for this if you go with Shakespeare didn't write the plays and it was instead the Earl of Oxford.

NO ONE IS "PROMOTING" HOMOSEXUALITY YOU IDIOT.

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Saw a meme. If Republicans think life begins a conception then all men need to be considered trans. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

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Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

Asking for a friend

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

Asking for a friend

Oh please. So we need this legislation because of suspicion my kids' teachers are secretly promoting some agenda at school because FoxNews said so. The hysteria runs deep.

FWIW my kids tell me everything, generally. And we talk quite openly in my household so I have explicitly told my kids that "yes, girls can love and marry girls and boys can love and marry boys" My kids have kid friends with homosexual married parents.

And no, the school is quite literally not discussing anything you think with the kids. All I've gotten is a letter about my kid being taught about respecting body boundaries in a special family life education unit in 3rd grade whre I can see that next year in 4th grade, they get into sex ed. That's it. I see the books they read, the projects they do, get weekly emails about their topical units such as how government works, how plants grow, yadda yadda yadda.

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

Asking for a friend

Well for one, not condemning other people or shutting down conversations about topics and you'll find kids are quite open with you. But if they perceive you are easily judgmental or treat topics as "secret", then no, you won't hear much. But that's on you and your parenting style.

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Anonymous wrote:They can be free and brave by doing they jobs, you know, TEACHING

Let’s see some reading and math proficiency scores rise!

And exactly what will they be allowed to read, fascist? the Bible?

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Anonymous wrote:They can be free and brave by doing they jobs, you know, TEACHING

Let’s see some reading and math proficiency scores rise!

And exactly what will they be allowed to read, fascist? the Bible?

No can do. Too much freaky weird sex stuff in it. Also violence. Lots and lots of violence.

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

Asking for a friend

Oh please. So we need this legislation because of suspicion my kids' teachers are secretly promoting some agenda at school because FoxNews said so. The hysteria runs deep.

FWIW my kids tell me everything, generally. And we talk quite openly in my household so I have explicitly told my kids that "yes, girls can love and marry girls and boys can love and marry boys" My kids have kid friends with homosexual married parents.

And no, the school is quite literally not discussing anything you think with the kids. All I've gotten is a letter about my kid being taught about respecting body boundaries in a special family life education unit in 3rd grade whre I can see that next year in 4th grade, they get into sex ed. That's it. I see the books they read, the projects they do, get weekly emails about their topical units such as how government works, how plants grow, yadda yadda yadda.

Controversial topics shouldn’t be touched in schools. We don’t allow books where the characters discuss religion or political preferences, so let’s leave gender preferences out of it too. And fwiw, my daughters government teacher frequently pushes her political agenda during class. It makes the students who oppose very uncomfortable. You can’t say anything for fear of retaliation.

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Anonymous wrote:They can be free and brave by doing they jobs, you know, TEACHING

Let’s see some reading and math proficiency scores rise!

And exactly what will they be allowed to read, fascist? the Bible?

No can do. Too much freaky weird sex stuff in it. Also violence. Lots and lots of violence.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

Asking for a friend

Oh please. So we need this legislation because of suspicion my kids' teachers are secretly promoting some agenda at school because FoxNews said so. The hysteria runs deep.

FWIW my kids tell me everything, generally. And we talk quite openly in my household so I have explicitly told my kids that "yes, girls can love and marry girls and boys can love and marry boys" My kids have kid friends with homosexual married parents.

And no, the school is quite literally not discussing anything you think with the kids. All I've gotten is a letter about my kid being taught about respecting body boundaries in a special family life education unit in 3rd grade whre I can see that next year in 4th grade, they get into sex ed. That's it. I see the books they read, the projects they do, get weekly emails about their topical units such as how government works, how plants grow, yadda yadda yadda.

Controversial topics shouldn’t be touched in schools. We don’t allow books where the characters discuss religion or political preferences, so let’s leave gender preferences out of it too. And fwiw, my daughters government teacher frequently pushes her political agenda during class. It makes the students who oppose very uncomfortable. You can’t say anything for fear of retaliation.

School shouldn't allow books where characters discuss religion or political preferences? Please tell me how one teaches history and literature without including books that reference religion and political preferences?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can be free and brave by doing they jobs, you know, TEACHING

Let’s see some reading and math proficiency scores rise!

And exactly what will they be allowed to read, fascist? the Bible?

No can do. Too much freaky weird sex stuff in it. Also violence. Lots and lots of violence.

+1. Daugthers having sex with their fathers snd getting pregnant, grown men marrying tween girls, I mean talk about filthy stuff, certainly something that should be banned

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Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.

I don't think that's what the law is saying. I'm not here to defend it but perhaps it's similar to discussing religion. If it comes up incidentally (e.g., "Mr. Jones, what are doing for winter break? Oh, we're celebrating Christmas at..."), then it's not problematic. I had several gay teachers at my high school in the 1990s, including my drama teacher. We all knew about his partner and it did not matter. It shouldn't. However, I could see how pontificating on someone's identity might be taking it too far. For fellow liberals, suppose an evangelical did the same thing by speaking of how important "being saved by Jesus" is in public school?

Do you have specific examples of teachers pontificating about these issues?

My kids have grown up in an uber liberal district and no one has pontificated to them about gender or sexual identity. Nor are those topics off-limits. If you have a law specifically targeting the LGBTQ community it's going to make teachers fear saying anything about their single sex partner. It will. You can't deny that.

+1. I have two kids in an ultra-woke DC public elementary school and there is no talk about gender/sexual identity. Nothing. Literally the only thing is the school asked what gender my kids identify as, and that is it. Literally nothing. Just a lot of hysterical people posting nonsense on a board and nothing actually happens in schools. Meanwhile kids actually dying of gunshot wounds and what are Florida representatives doing about that? I mean, look at the kids that died in the Parkland school shooting. ACTUAL FATAL INJURIES TO KIDS.

I'm so angry at this utter waste of breath legislation for literally no good reason.

And I'm STILL WAITING for someone to provide any concrete examples that this legislature was necessary in schools and not one GOP leaning person has responded with anything. Just deflection, sarcastic jokes, etc.

Tell me your secret for finding out everything your kids are told at school each day

Asking for a friend

Oh please. So we need this legislation because of suspicion my kids' teachers are secretly promoting some agenda at school because FoxNews said so. The hysteria runs deep.

FWIW my kids tell me everything, generally. And we talk quite openly in my household so I have explicitly told my kids that "yes, girls can love and marry girls and boys can love and marry boys" My kids have kid friends with homosexual married parents.

And no, the school is quite literally not discussing anything you think with the kids. All I've gotten is a letter about my kid being taught about respecting body boundaries in a special family life education unit in 3rd grade whre I can see that next year in 4th grade, they get into sex ed. That's it. I see the books they read, the projects they do, get weekly emails about their topical units such as how government works, how plants grow, yadda yadda yadda.

Controversial topics shouldn’t be touched in schools. We don’t allow books where the characters discuss religion or political preferences, so let’s leave gender preferences out of it too. And fwiw, my daughters government teacher frequently pushes her political agenda during class. It makes the students who oppose very uncomfortable. You can’t say anything for fear of retaliation.

And what is a controversial topic?

Can slavery be taught? What about the holocaust? Plenty of people said it did not happen plus we dont want to make kids of German origin feel bad. What about the Armenian massacres (or genocide?) in WW1? What about the trail of tears? Can we teach about that?

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't have liked teachers promoting homosexuality to me in high school. I didn't even like it in college when the Shakespeare professor made a weak argument that Shakespeare was gay, and saying these are gay plays, at one point saying Greeks though the ideal relationship was between men and boys.

I don't know if Shakespeare was gay, but there is a stronger argument to be made for this if you go with Shakespeare didn't write the plays and it was instead the Earl of Oxford.

NO ONE IS "PROMOTING" HOMOSEXUALITY YOU IDIOT.

Do you prefer the word "celebrating?" It's basically the same thing.