Florida expands "Don't say gay" law to k-12

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

ITA. Our kids need to be educated in mathematics, history, science, technology, and language.
It is ridiculous to spend precious time discussing gender and sexuality.

And, note that discussion on gender and sexual identity are not banned in grades 4-12....

"would only allow discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity in fourth through 12th grade if it is in line with state curriculum or in a health class a student can choose not to participate in." (from the link above)

And, one more thing.....

There is no such thing as "don't say gay" bill. In Florida, or anywhere else.

It's EXACTLY what it means. And you know it.

Teachers will be afraid, and stop any discussion. I can't wait until 10th graders start bringing it up and school. You know RW kids will tell their teachers, who will try to get the teachers fired.

Why should anything be off limits to talk about in school? are we not the home of the FREE and the BRAVE? I guess not.

+1 Especially the last two sentences.

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They can be free and brave by doing they jobs, you know, TEACHING

Let’s see some reading and math proficiency scores rise!

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In my 8th ESOL class today, we were talking about multisyllabic words with Latin roots.

One of the roots was trans- which means, as I'm sure you know, (move) across or through.

Transport, transmit, translucent, transfer. We talked about the words and their meanings.

One boy asked "What about transgender? What does that mean?"

Do you think it would have been appropriate for me to talk about the meaning of the word?
Part of learning vocabulary is learning how to use the word in context, and it's really hard to use the word "transgender" in context, without having the background knowledge to understand what it means.

I'd be scared to say anything if I were a teacher in Florida. Not even "Ask your parents what transgender means" because then they'd go home and tell parents I was teaching them about transgenderism and I'd surely be fired from my job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They can be free and brave by doing they jobs, you know, TEACHING

Let’s see some reading and math proficiency scores rise!

That’s the last things conservatives want.

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Anonymous wrote:From the bill:

"unless such instruction is either expressly required by state academic standards as adopted in Rule 6A-1.09401, F.A.C., or is part of a reproductive health course or health lesson for which a student’s parent has the option to have his or her student not attend."

Makes perfect sense. Fully support

It is too vague and application will clearly have worse consequences for kids and teachers. Oppose.

What’s vague about it? Parents have opt out power. I have no problem with that

The parents have opt out of the sex ed class not the law which is under the interpretation of the school system.

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I'm in Florida and you people are smoking crack if you think this hasn't had a chilling effect on teachers and therefore the kids. My kid is in 8th grade and the "tone" in school went from possibly reluctant acceptance to all out bigotry and bullying after this passed. Pride Club (a VOLUNTARY club at the school, like all clubs are VOLUNTARY) announcements at lunch are now met with open jeering and boos, and the teachers feel powerless to stop it. You think the gay kids in school aren't affected by that?!

I'll tell you they are. Kid in 7th grade just ate a bullet two days ago in my daughter's school. That's the effect.

There's simply no point in this because there was NEVER any gay instruction to begin with. Absolute smoke and mirrors, and you people drinking this kool aid are to blame. That was a solution in search of a problem, because it just doesn't happen in the classroom. Here or anywhere. But as someone IN FLORIDA WITH A KID IN THE SCHOOL, there was never any instruction. Never. Can I repeat it. Never happened.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

Screw you. The reason to discuss this is because sexual orientation is not a “choice” but a biological attribute. Too many gay people like me have committed suicide before adulthood because society told them that being gay wasn’t an option.

+1 and the bill supporters that were posting here are suddenly quiet because they don't want to admit they are homophobic.

So sexual orientation is ‘biologically determined’ but gender is fluid and based on a person’s feelings any given day?
Florida has done well to remove unscientific, incoherent, and predatory ideologies from the curriculum.

PS they can still say gay in school, and they can still read age appropriate books in school and have age appropriate discussions in school on both homosexuality and heterosexuality. However the era of grooming, pornography, and denial of parent’s civil rights is coming to an end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Florida and you people are smoking crack if you think this hasn't had a chilling effect on teachers and therefore the kids. My kid is in 8th grade and the "tone" in school went from possibly reluctant acceptance to all out bigotry and bullying after this passed. Pride Club (a VOLUNTARY club at the school, like all clubs are VOLUNTARY) announcements at lunch are now met with open jeering and boos, and the teachers feel powerless to stop it. You think the gay kids in school aren't affected by that?!

I'll tell you they are. Kid in 7th grade just ate a bullet two days ago in my daughter's school. That's the effect.

There's simply no point in this because there was NEVER any gay instruction to begin with. Absolute smoke and mirrors, and you people drinking this kool aid are to blame. That was a solution in search of a problem, because it just doesn't happen in the classroom. Here or anywhere. But as someone IN FLORIDA WITH A KID IN THE SCHOOL, there was never any instruction. Never. Can I repeat it. Never happened.

This part. I'm still awaiting the examples that necessitated this useless smoke show law.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

Screw you. The reason to discuss this is because sexual orientation is not a “choice” but a biological attribute. Too many gay people like me have committed suicide before adulthood because society told them that being gay wasn’t an option.

+1 and the bill supporters that were posting here are suddenly quiet because they don't want to admit they are homophobic.

So sexual orientation is ‘biologically determined’ but gender is fluid and based on a person’s feelings any given day?
Florida has done well to remove unscientific, incoherent, and predatory ideologies from the curriculum.

PS they can still say gay in school, and they can still read age appropriate books in school and have age appropriate discussions in school on both homosexuality and heterosexuality. However the era of grooming, pornography, and denial of parent’s civil rights is coming to an end.

Examples? Because the list of books that were actually banned in some schools in Florida was ridiculously over the top

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

Huh? You never took sex ed? I fully support public school inclusion of sex ed including discussion of the fact that sometimes people have different orientation. My elementary school kid already knows that sometimes guys marry guys and girls marry girls, what are you so afraid of?

What are you afraid of?

Tell me. So in English class, are kids allowed at all to read a book about two gay people in love under this law? It's ok to read a book that discusses relationship difficulties if the characters are straight, but not if they have a different sexual orientation?

Still waiting for the answer on this one.

I’m ok with it as long as families can opt out.

[Anonymous]

Schools should not get involved with controversial topics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Florida and you people are smoking crack if you think this hasn't had a chilling effect on teachers and therefore the kids. My kid is in 8th grade and the "tone" in school went from possibly reluctant acceptance to all out bigotry and bullying after this passed. Pride Club (a VOLUNTARY club at the school, like all clubs are VOLUNTARY) announcements at lunch are now met with open jeering and boos, and the teachers feel powerless to stop it. You think the gay kids in school aren't affected by that?!

I'll tell you they are. Kid in 7th grade just ate a bullet two days ago in my daughter's school. That's the effect.

There's simply no point in this because there was NEVER any gay instruction to begin with. Absolute smoke and mirrors, and you people drinking this kool aid are to blame. That was a solution in search of a problem, because it just doesn't happen in the classroom. Here or anywhere. But as someone IN FLORIDA WITH A KID IN THE SCHOOL, there was never any instruction. Never. Can I repeat it. Never happened.

This was the point. They want gay people back in the closet, in danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Florida and you people are smoking crack if you think this hasn't had a chilling effect on teachers and therefore the kids. My kid is in 8th grade and the "tone" in school went from possibly reluctant acceptance to all out bigotry and bullying after this passed. Pride Club (a VOLUNTARY club at the school, like all clubs are VOLUNTARY) announcements at lunch are now met with open jeering and boos, and the teachers feel powerless to stop it. You think the gay kids in school aren't affected by that?!

I'll tell you they are. Kid in 7th grade just ate a bullet two days ago in my daughter's school. That's the effect.

There's simply no point in this because there was NEVER any gay instruction to begin with. Absolute smoke and mirrors, and you people drinking this kool aid are to blame. That was a solution in search of a problem, because it just doesn't happen in the classroom. Here or anywhere. But as someone IN FLORIDA WITH A KID IN THE SCHOOL, there was never any instruction. Never. Can I repeat it. Never happened.

This was the point. They want gay people back in the closet, in danger.

Mission. Accomplished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

Screw you. The reason to discuss this is because sexual orientation is not a “choice” but a biological attribute. Too many gay people like me have committed suicide before adulthood because society told them that being gay wasn’t an option.

+1 and the bill supporters that were posting here are suddenly quiet because they don't want to admit they are homophobic.

So sexual orientation is ‘biologically determined’ but gender is fluid and based on a person’s feelings any given day?
Florida has done well to remove unscientific, incoherent, and predatory ideologies from the curriculum.

PS they can still say gay in school, and they can still read age appropriate books in school and have age appropriate discussions in school on both homosexuality and heterosexuality. However the era of grooming, pornography, and denial of parent’s civil rights is coming to an end.

No, they really can't "still say gay" in the classroom, not that there was any of it happening from an instruction point that the GOP is so afraid of. The statute was vaguely worded on purpose to create a massive chilling effect, coupled with a private right of action giving all the homophobes a way to sue the school should their kid ever hear anything that smacks of "woke gay talk" in the classroom, be it referring to "my husband" from a male teacher or god forbid a gay character in a book on the library shelf. That's not teaching "gay ideology" that's teaching a book that happens to have a gay character in it. Sort of like, I don't know, real life. It's * specifically designed* to have the chilling effect. That's its entire purpose and its way to be self-enforcing based on fear. Are you so willfully ignorant that you don't see that? Open your damn eyes you fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

Screw you. The reason to discuss this is because sexual orientation is not a “choice” but a biological attribute. Too many gay people like me have committed suicide before adulthood because society told them that being gay wasn’t an option.

+1 and the bill supporters that were posting here are suddenly quiet because they don't want to admit they are homophobic.

So sexual orientation is ‘biologically determined’ but gender is fluid and based on a person’s feelings any given day?
Florida has done well to remove unscientific, incoherent, and predatory ideologies from the curriculum.

PS they can still say gay in school, and they can still read age appropriate books in school and have age appropriate discussions in school on both homosexuality and heterosexuality. However the era of grooming, pornography, and denial of parent’s civil rights is coming to an end.

No, they really can't "still say gay" in the classroom, not that there was any of it happening from an instruction point that the GOP is so afraid of. The statute was vaguely worded on purpose to create a massive chilling effect, coupled with a private right of action giving all the homophobes a way to sue the school should their kid ever hear anything that smacks of "woke gay talk" in the classroom, be it referring to "my husband" from a male teacher or god forbid a gay character in a book on the library shelf. That's not teaching "gay ideology" that's teaching a book that happens to have a gay character in it. Sort of like, I don't know, real life. It's * specifically designed* to have the chilling effect. That's its entire purpose and its way to be self-enforcing based on fear. Are you so willfully ignorant that you don't see that? Open your damn eyes you fool.

Please provide evidence from the actual bill or sworn testimony from those who claim mistreatment that discussion/behaviors as you stated have been proscribed (I’m aware of restrictions upon adult material within prek/elementary schools, obviously I’m fine with that).

You see my eyes are open, I do read, and I’m not compelled by uninformed hysteria or soundbyte propaganda. However if I misread the bill I’m willing to change my mind.