UVA mass shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While mental illness isn’t the cause of most violence in the US, it is true that serious mental illness often presents in college age kids. It often doesn’t get detected early because kids are away from home

I disagree. Most gun violence is the cause of mental illness. Anyone who uses a gun to solve problems with people have mental issues.... Suicide 64% Homicide 39%

According to https://efsgv.org/learn/type-of-gun-violence/gun-violence-in-the-united-states/
Every day, more than 100 Americans die by gun violence, including 64 who die by firearm suicide, 39 Americans who die by firearm homicide, and 3 who are killed by other forms of gun violence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paranoid typically means you think something is happening to you that actually isn’t.

What a horrible incident and I really feel for the families of lost loved ones.

It's seen in schizophrenia and some forms of bipolar.

Male adults usually onset in college---ages 18-22 is often first onset.

When a kid is away at college, it goes unnoticed because family isn't around to note it. And, times of stress exacerbate it, are triggers.

Mental health is one of the biggest problems our country faces and is the reason for the vast majority of mass shootings.

Stop perpetuating NRA talking points. People like you are the reason we have such a violent society.

It's not a NRA talking point - schizophrenia and bipolar do appear in college age, mostly males. And kids away at college can easily isolate themselves and go unnoticed. I've got first hand knowledge of just how bad this can be (and side note, it happened at UVa but years ago.) Pair that with easy access to guns and you have what we have in this country.

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Yes! Why do we continue to deny the role mental health plays in these tragedies? I'm in favor of reasonable gun control that factors in mental health remedies and shares this data with those doing the actual background checks. To support gun control without addressing mental health issues is foolish. These are not mutually exclusive, and I can't figure out why the poster above would dismiss this as an NRA talking point. It's like saying these tragedies exist in a vacuum and simply passing a law will stop them immediately. Explain Chicago and DC to us all, then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t fight this is ridiculous

I was a witness to a school shooting in the 90s. The police were out fire powered and also seemed unsure of what to do and just barricades themselves behind cars. It took another student running and tackling the shooter when he went to reload his semi automatic weapon to stop him. I probably would have been dead had that guy not fought back. He has done only one interview re this, and he said he had the sense the police were clueless and his only way to survive was to get the gun.

You think fighting won’t work, if it’s your only option? Either that or die.

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#1 Identify that situation is actually an active shooter and not some type of robbery robbery gone bad, street beef, etc.
#2 Move towards threat, using cover if possible.
#3 Shoot center mass, then head.
#4 Conceal or drop firearm after threat is neutralized (avoid friendly fire).

[Anonymous]

I worked for a company that had a mass shooting at a facility in another state years ago, so we were given updated active shooter training in our office by a member of the Arlington County SWAT team. In addition to the RUN, HIDE, FIGHT strategy, one thing stood out to me that I always keep in mind and repeat to my own child from time to time--Never sit and assess whether the sound you heard is actually gun shots. The officer who spoke with us told us that some fatalities happen because before people actually RUN, they sit and think too long about the sound, and then they'll go ask a friend or coworker what they think, and then they will wait to see if they hear it again. His advice was to get out of that spot immediately, get to safety and call the police because police would rather deal with a well-intended false alarm then more casualties.

[Anonymous]

It is difficult to reach children once they leave for college. They are considered adults. You can try to stay connected but you will never really know what they are struggling with at college. They may feel isolated and alone or ignored by peers. They may also experience a health issue that parents cannot assist with except to encourage them to get help. No administrator or health care provider will speak to parents without the consent of their child. Oftentimes, they will not get help because they are embarrassed or think they can handle it on their own. Bottom line is once they leave your house for college, a lot of what they do is out of your control or knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is difficult to reach children once they leave for college. They are considered adults. You can try to stay connected but you will never really know what they are struggling with at college. They may feel isolated and alone or ignored by peers. They may also experience a health issue that parents cannot assist with except to encourage them to get help. No administrator or health care provider will speak to parents without the consent of their child. Oftentimes, they will not get help because they are embarrassed or think they can handle it on their own. Bottom line is once they leave your house for college, a lot of what they do is out of your control or knowledge.

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And there are more students struggling with mental health than ever before (that has been well-documented in the years since the pandemic).

I know many parents who have decided not to let their children go so far away to college because of this, particularly ones where there were issues prior.

[Anonymous]

This is every day in America, across all ages and circumstances...guns.

This was in Chevy Chase last night...at Clyde's on Wisconsin Ave:

https://wjla.com/newsletter-daily/montgomery-county-shooting-violence-crime-man-shot-injured-argument-clydes-restaurant-in-chevy-chase-maryland-wisconsin-avenue-investigation#

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paranoid typically means you think something is happening to you that actually isn’t.

What a horrible incident and I really feel for the families of lost loved ones.

It's seen in schizophrenia and some forms of bipolar.

Male adults usually onset in college---ages 18-22 is often first onset.

When a kid is away at college, it goes unnoticed because family isn't around to note it. And, times of stress exacerbate it, are triggers.

Mental health is one of the biggest problems our country faces and is the reason for the vast majority of mass shootings.

Stop perpetuating NRA talking points. People like you are the reason we have such a violent society.

It's not a NRA talking point - schizophrenia and bipolar do appear in college age, mostly males. And kids away at college can easily isolate themselves and go unnoticed. I've got first hand knowledge of just how bad this can be (and side note, it happened at UVa but years ago.) Pair that with easy access to guns and you have what we have in this country.

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Yes! Why do we continue to deny the role mental health plays in these tragedies? I'm in favor of reasonable gun control that factors in mental health remedies and shares this data with those doing the actual background checks. To support gun control without addressing mental health issues is foolish. These are not mutually exclusive, and I can't figure out why the poster above would dismiss this as an NRA talking point. It's like saying these tragedies exist in a vacuum and simply passing a law will stop them immediately. Explain Chicago and DC to us all, then.

DP. As a society/country, we do not adequately address either mental health or gun violence. Both these issues are huge problems in the US. But put a gun in the hands of a mentally ill person who is not receiving treatment/adequate treatment, and there is a greatly increased chance that they will kill themselves or someone else quickly and more effectively than by any other method. Someone close to me is a mentally ill young man who began showing symptoms freshman year of college, and it is a miracle he is still alive and hasn't seriously hurt himself or someone else.

[Anonymous]

I think we need to make it a crime to (1) murder people; (2) commit assault with a deadly weapon; (3) commit assault with intent to kill; (4) recklessly endanger the lives and safety of others; (5) conceal a firearm without a permit; and (6) carry a firearm on school or university property.

[Anonymous]

Not sure I can find the article again but I saw something where they knocked on the shooter's family's door, the brother answered, and basically said, "these guys were on his case for years, he finally snapped, what do you expect?" It was pretty awful and mental illness or not... 20 years ago people got into fistfights in these situations and now guns are everywhere. It's really a sad state of affairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure I can find the article again but I saw something where they knocked on the shooter's family's door, the brother answered, and basically said, "these guys were on his case for years, he finally snapped, what do you expect?" It was pretty awful and mental illness or not... 20 years ago people got into fistfights in these situations and now guns are everywhere. It's really a sad state of affairs.

Found it. This family is screwed up. No remorse on his brother's behalf whatsoever.

A man who opened the door at Jones’s mother’s house and identified himself as Jones’s 19-year-old brother blamed the shooting on “bullying” but wouldn’t elaborate or say who Jones claimed had harassed him.

“He just got fed up. … Nobody was listening,” the man said. “He had nowhere to go, he had nobody to talk to, so he finally gave up. And that’s life, right? Everybody’s got their breaking point.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so sorry to hear about this. Saying prayers.

or maybe actual gun legislation

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Anonymous wrote:Paranoid typically means you think something is happening to you that actually isn’t.

What a horrible incident and I really feel for the families of lost loved ones.

It's seen in schizophrenia and some forms of bipolar.

Male adults usually onset in college---ages 18-22 is often first onset.

When a kid is away at college, it goes unnoticed because family isn't around to note it. And, times of stress exacerbate it, are triggers.

Mental health is one of the biggest problems our country faces and is the reason for the vast majority of mass shootings.

Stop perpetuating NRA talking points. People like you are the reason we have such a violent society.

It's not a NRA talking point - schizophrenia and bipolar do appear in college age, mostly males. And kids away at college can easily isolate themselves and go unnoticed. I've got first hand knowledge of just how bad this can be (and side note, it happened at UVa but years ago.) Pair that with easy access to guns and you have what we have in this country.

+100

Yes! Why do we continue to deny the role mental health plays in these tragedies? I'm in favor of reasonable gun control that factors in mental health remedies and shares this data with those doing the actual background checks. To support gun control without addressing mental health issues is foolish. These are not mutually exclusive, and I can't figure out why the poster above would dismiss this as an NRA talking point. It's like saying these tragedies exist in a vacuum and simply passing a law will stop them immediately. Explain Chicago and DC to us all, then.

It might have something to with easy access to guns from just outside those cities. Also explains all the other countries on the planet with gun control that don't have these issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure I can find the article again but I saw something where they knocked on the shooter's family's door, the brother answered, and basically said, "these guys were on his case for years, he finally snapped, what do you expect?" It was pretty awful and mental illness or not... 20 years ago people got into fistfights in these situations and now guns are everywhere. It's really a sad state of affairs.

Found it. This family is screwed up. No remorse on his brother's behalf whatsoever.

A man who opened the door at Jones’s mother’s house and identified himself as Jones’s 19-year-old brother blamed the shooting on “bullying” but wouldn’t elaborate or say who Jones claimed had harassed him.

“He just got fed up. … Nobody was listening,” the man said. “He had nowhere to go, he had nobody to talk to, so he finally gave up. And that’s life, right? Everybody’s got their breaking point.”

There are several posters in this thread that are reapetedly trying to shift some of the blame to the victims, it's pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure I can find the article again but I saw something where they knocked on the shooter's family's door, the brother answered, and basically said, "these guys were on his case for years, he finally snapped, what do you expect?" It was pretty awful and mental illness or not... 20 years ago people got into fistfights in these situations and now guns are everywhere. It's really a sad state of affairs.

Found it. This family is screwed up. No remorse on his brother's behalf whatsoever.

A man who opened the door at Jones’s mother’s house and identified himself as Jones’s 19-year-old brother blamed the shooting on “bullying” but wouldn’t elaborate or say who Jones claimed had harassed him.

“He just got fed up. … Nobody was listening,” the man said. “He had nowhere to go, he had nobody to talk to, so he finally gave up. And that’s life, right? Everybody’s got their breaking point.”

There are several posters in this thread that are reapetedly trying to shift some of the blame to the victims, it's pathetic.

It’s beyond pathetic it’s disgusting (and I don’t use that word lightly). As a UVA alum I’m heartbroken over this tragedy.