NC medical student brags on Twitter about deliberately harming patient who mocked her pronoun pin

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

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What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

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What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

Because there is nothing normal about having to state one's "preferred pronouns."

That’s the point. To make it more “normal”.

Why shouldn’t it be “normal”?

Because it's not. If I have to explain that you, well, I'm sorry for you.

You do have to explain it. BC you're being unnecessarily hateful. Why do you think you get to tell someone else what's "normal" for what they prefer to be called? Just b/c it makes you uncomfortable?

I’m not the PP but as explained above, it can be an extremely othering and intrusive experience for people who are women in male dominated spaces. Demanding pronoun identification isn’t something people universally experience as inclusive.

Who is “demanding” pronouns? She was wearing a pin and the patient chose to comment on it.

The PP was talking generally about normalization of preemptive pronoun identification, not just optional pins. If PP is only talking about optional pins, that’s a different matter.

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Anonymous wrote:If she gets away with this, what’s next?? “They didn’t identify my sexual orientation correctly and assumed I’m married to a man, so I took them off life support. They deserve to die. That’s what they get.”

Yes, the queers are certainly known for this kind of vindictiveness. /s

Well, there was a case where they desecrated the Eucharist at St. Peter's.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

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What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

So don’t wear a pin at work. Problem solved.

You did say it makes sense in medical settings though, right? Which is what we are discussing here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

So don’t wear a pin at work. Problem solved.

You did say it makes sense in medical settings though, right? Which is what we are discussing here.

I work in a medical setting and no one here wears a pin announcing their pronouns. We have 3 trans patients right now. I personally don’t think it’s necessary. Patients usually tell us what they prefer to be called. “Hi Mr. Smith!”…”Oh, please call me Bob.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

Because there is nothing normal about having to state one's "preferred pronouns."

That’s the point. To make it more “normal”.

Why shouldn’t it be “normal”?

Because it's not. If I have to explain that you, well, I'm sorry for you.

You do have to explain it. BC you're being unnecessarily hateful. Why do you think you get to tell someone else what's "normal" for what they prefer to be called? Just b/c it makes you uncomfortable?

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PP won’t say it out loud because she knows she’s hateful and wrong.

PP again, and happy to "say it out loud," although I don't know how one does that in writing on a message board.

I'm not hateful and I'm not wrong.

People who feel the need to announce their pronouns, or worse, expect/ ask/ demand that others do so, are either a) woke virtue signalers; b) ostriches with their heads in the sand and simply going along to get along because they don't want to bother speaking up about something that they know is silly at best and damaging at worst, but seems to be the current fad; or c) mentally disturbed.

You pick which one best fits you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

So don’t wear a pin at work. Problem solved.

You did say it makes sense in medical settings though, right? Which is what we are discussing here.

I work in a medical setting and no one here wears a pin announcing their pronouns. We have 3 trans patients right now. I personally don’t think it’s necessary. Patients usually tell us what they prefer to be called. “Hi Mr. Smith!”…”Oh, please call me Bob.”

+1 I’m a nurse and I haven’t seen any other nurses or doctors wear pronoun pins at work. Our patients gender identity and preferred pronouns if known show up on the medical charting system we use. I’ve only encountered a couple transgender patients in the past year and I make sure I’m using their preferred pronoun. But I personally don’t think it’s necessary for everyone to walk around with a pronoun pin on considering most of us are clearly cisgender. This may be different though if you’re working in a setting with a larger transgender population but overall they make up a tiny percentage of the population.

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Anonymous wrote:She should IMMEDIATELY be kicked out of med school and/or barred from ever getting a medical license. Period.

If she cannot handle political jabs, she has absolutely ZERO personal qualities/traits to handle being a physicians. Holy crap, injuring people on purpose because they might be a difficult patient? Absolutely insane there is anything to discuss. Kick her out now.

Newsflash: you will encounter many, many, maaaaaany nasty people in the medical field. The entire basis of the Hippocratic Oath is to do no harm. She violated that oath.

FFS she did not injure on purpose.

OP lied in the title of this thread.

OP didn’t lie. The med school student was inaccurate in their description. She later said she didn’t do the second stick, but she certainly implied she did in her tweet. That’s not OPs problem.

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Anonymous wrote:She should IMMEDIATELY be kicked out of med school and/or barred from ever getting a medical license. Period.

If she cannot handle political jabs, she has absolutely ZERO personal qualities/traits to handle being a physicians. Holy crap, injuring people on purpose because they might be a difficult patient? Absolutely insane there is anything to discuss. Kick her out now.

Newsflash: you will encounter many, many, maaaaaany nasty people in the medical field. The entire basis of the Hippocratic Oath is to do no harm. She violated that oath.

FFS she did not injure on purpose.

OP lied in the title of this thread.

OP didn’t lie. The med school student was inaccurate in their description. She later said she didn’t do the second stick, but she certainly implied she did in her tweet. That’s not OPs problem.

She wasn't inaccurate. And she certainly did NOT say she did it intentionally.

OP did not tell the truth = lied.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

Because there is nothing normal about having to state one's "preferred pronouns."

That’s the point. To make it more “normal”.

Why shouldn’t it be “normal”?

Because it's not. If I have to explain that you, well, I'm sorry for you.

You do have to explain it. BC you're being unnecessarily hateful. Why do you think you get to tell someone else what's "normal" for what they prefer to be called? Just b/c it makes you uncomfortable?

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PP won’t say it out loud because she knows she’s hateful and wrong.

PP again, and happy to "say it out loud," although I don't know how one does that in writing on a message board.

I'm not hateful and I'm not wrong.

People who feel the need to announce their pronouns, or worse, expect/ ask/ demand that others do so, are either a) woke virtue signalers; b) ostriches with their heads in the sand and simply going along to get along because they don't want to bother speaking up about something that they know is silly at best and damaging at worst, but seems to be the current fad; or c) mentally disturbed.

You pick which one best fits you.

That's right. Be proud of your hatefulness. Show us your true colors.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

+1

What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

So don’t wear a pin at work. Problem solved.

You did say it makes sense in medical settings though, right? Which is what we are discussing here.

I work in a medical setting and no one here wears a pin announcing their pronouns. We have 3 trans patients right now. I personally don’t think it’s necessary. Patients usually tell us what they prefer to be called. “Hi Mr. Smith!”…”Oh, please call me Bob.”

But is there a problem if people wear a pin?

The original question above is what's wrong with the pin (in a medical setting)?

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It's not her job to educate everyone who makes a shitty comment, but it really does seem like she missed an opportunity to connect. A matter-of-fact, brief explanation of why pronouns are important may have been worthwhile here. But she'll never know because she decided to use that energy to write a snarky tweet instead. Sometimes information can make a dent in ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are doctors/med students wearing pronoun pins, anyway? Is it part of a class on virtue signaling?

This was my question.

Why wouldn't they?

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What’s wrong with pronoun pins?

When was the last time you saw a doctor wearing anything on scrubs/lab coat other than a name tag/ID or maybe a stethoscope. What possible purpose does announcing pronouns to someone who didn't ask serve?

Maybe it's different because I'm in Peds, but most doctors and nurses have fun pins on their coats/sweaters/scrubs. Also, at least at my hospital, you can get a new ID badge with your pronouns under your name if you want.

The purpose of everyone stating their pronouns is to make it more mainstream and normalized. That way trans and nonbinary individuals don't have to feel like outsiders when they let someone know that they have preferred pronouns. Using the correct pronouns, IMO, is just a normal level of respect. Kind of like not calling an Amanda 'Mandy' if they ask you not to or not taking someone's (complex to you) ethnic name and saying "I can't say that so I'm going to call you Sunny!"

And this, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with it.

Why? What’s wrong with normalizing preferred pronouns?

In general I don’t have an issue with showing preferred pronouns, but as a woman who works in an extremely male-dominated field where I am often the only woman in the room, I experience expectations to emphasize pronouns up front as yet one more way to “other” me in my field. In meetings where people list their pronouns up front (thankfully not common but more often than before), I’m often the only she/her and it feels very isolating. I really dislike the experience and I find it subtly changes the dynamics in a way that isn’t positive.

This is a patient-facing field?

No, not patient facing. I imagine there could be similar dynamics in a patient facing field but I have no personal experience with it so don’t know.

So do you work with a lot of strangers? Clients? Customers?

A pin might not be as helpful for you if you’re not meeting a bunch of new people every day.

I don’t have an issue with pins in healthcare. But you were not only talking about pins in healthcare, you were talking about proactive identification of pronouns in general (“normalizing preferred pronouns”) and what I am telling you is that as a woman who is already isolated in my field, I’ve experienced that “normalization” as yet one more way mechanism of isolation. It’s not universally experienced as “inclusive” in other words no matter how much you want to make it “normalized.” The context is very important.

Seems like preferred pronouns are the least of your worries in a toxic masculine work environment.

And yes we are talking about the context of a medical provider here.

Amazing. It is really always remarkable to see the extent to which transactivists try to minimize, excuse, and normalize misogyny in order to get their way.

So don’t wear a pin at work. Problem solved.

You did say it makes sense in medical settings though, right? Which is what we are discussing here.

I work in a medical setting and no one here wears a pin announcing their pronouns. We have 3 trans patients right now. I personally don’t think it’s necessary. Patients usually tell us what they prefer to be called. “Hi Mr. Smith!”…”Oh, please call me Bob.”

But is there a problem if people wear a pin?

The original question above is what's wrong with the pin (in a medical setting)?

Anyone can wear a pronoun pin including medical professionals because who cares. I do think it’s silly to expect everyone else to wear one when a majority of the population is cisgender. And it’s even more ridiculous to then assume someone is hateful or bigoted if they don’t agree with everyone announcing their pronouns. I know it’s higher now but transgender people use to make up only around 0.04% of the population.