Africans and blacks in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Russia has been falsely using this incident to propagandize as part of their horrible, distorted "Ukraine = nazi" narrative.

If Ukraine were truly such racist foreigner-hating nazis they:
a.) wouldn't have welcomed 80,000 foreign students from Nigeria and the rest of the world to study there in the first place, and
b.) wouldn't have elected a Jew whose family was victim of the Holocaust to their country's highest office with 73% of the vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First of all, the train was full, there was no more room (and many have said there were in fact Africans on the train)

The group of Nigerian students were at the wrong train, they were supposed to be getting on different trains, to get taken to Romania, not Poland - per the Nigerian embassy itself.

What in the disinformation hell is this?

The date of the letter you posted is February 26th — AFTER Ukrainians barred Nigerians from taking trains out of Kyiv and other cities. The Nigerian embassy’s instructions reflect the reality that Ukrainians aren’t allowing Africans to leave with everyone else, so the Nigerian embassy had to help find alternative routes. The fact that the embassy had to find alternative routes is further evidence of how Ukrainians are treating Africans, you nitwit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking as an African, I was done with Ukraine when I saw videos from people I know are real Africans in Ukraine trying to get out. To be able to make time for racism at a life and death circumstances speaks of such a monstrous nature that I no longer have any problem with what Putin is up to over there. I’m not sparing Ukraine a single thought beyond this post.

Speaking as a brown person, the first 2 days, seeing the reports from Ukraine made me teary eyed when I read the articles. Then after the discrimination videos started making the rounds, I am just disappointed that people look at skin color in a crisis. One of the videos above shows the black woman trying to get in but denied and a white woman on the left is let through on the train.

The tweets by this person showing how news people are reacting puts things in perspective:

https://twitter.com/ruchirsharma_1/status/1498013098929799175

Serves us right for caring in the first place. The brown and Black people of the world have no horse in this race. Thoughts and prayers and back to my regularly scheduled programming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking as an African, I was done with Ukraine when I saw videos from people I know are real Africans in Ukraine trying to get out. To be able to make time for racism at a life and death circumstances speaks of such a monstrous nature that I no longer have any problem with what Putin is up to over there. I’m not sparing Ukraine a single thought beyond this post.

I guess white people should stop funding African needs then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First of all, the train was full, there was no more room (and many have said there were in fact Africans on the train)

The group of Nigerian students were at the wrong train, they were supposed to be getting on different trains, to get taken to Romania, not Poland - per the Nigerian embassy itself.

What in the disinformation hell is this?

The date of the letter you posted is February 26th — AFTER Ukrainians barred Nigerians from taking trains out of Kyiv and other cities. The Nigerian embassy’s instructions reflect the reality that Ukrainians aren’t allowing Africans to leave with everyone else, so the Nigerian embassy had to help find alternative routes. The fact that the embassy had to find alternative routes is further evidence of how Ukrainians are treating Africans, you nitwit.

You are incorrect. It is not "disinformation." The letter is real, and all of it was unfolding at the same time.

[Anonymous]

Let's talk about who the real Nazis are, shall we?
This is Dimitri Utkin, head of Wagner Group, a private mercenary group with close ties to Putin. These guys do a lot of Putin's dirty work. They were known for grotesque brutality and beheadings in Syria.

See those tattoos on Utkin? They are real, and they include a Nazi Reichsadler and Nazi SS images. He named his private military firm "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer.
Right now, Wager Group has 400 assassins in the area of Kiev attempting to hunt down and kill the Jewish President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky.

Sit down and STFU if you're going to be pro-Putin and cast aspersions on anyone else. SIT THE FCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FCK UP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's talk about who the real Nazis are, shall we?
This is Dimitri Utkin, head of Wagner Group, a private mercenary group with close ties to Putin. These guys do a lot of Putin's dirty work. They were known for grotesque brutality and beheadings in Syria.

See those tattoos on Utkin? They are real, and they include a Nazi Reichsadler and Nazi SS images. He named his private military firm "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer.
Right now, Wager Group has 400 assassins in the area of Kiev attempting to hunt down and kill the Jewish President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky.


Sit down and STFU if you're going to be pro-Putin and cast aspersions on anyone else. SIT THE FCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FCK UP.

+1 million. Putin apologists should understand who exactly they are backing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that Poland is opening its borders ONLY for Ukrainian refugees due to war. If you are from India or Africa, it is very difficult to verify that you are legitimately fleeing war in the Ukraine and that you were there legally and aren't using the chaos to try to enter Poland as an authorized immigrant. If they are students, they should have left weeks ago.

Poland is letting people in. It is the Ukrainian soldiers who are not letting these people out. Putin is scum but what the Ukrainian soldiers are doing is not right. These videos of Indian and Nigerian students not allowed to pass, being beaten by Ukrainian soldiers does not look good. Any wonder why Nigeria and India are neutral?

Why would Ukrainian soldiers NOT let people out if they could? You think they want more people to feed, deal with housing and waste management, and all of that? These aren't people who are going to fight -- they are trying to leave. Ukrainian soldiers have every incentive to get them out and save resources for the citizens who are staying.

The only incentive NOT to is what was mentioned by a PP above -- when they get turned around at the border to Poland or wherever, it causes more work and time to reprocessing them.

This is a stupid talking point that makes no sense when you look at it more closely.

It makes sense if they don’t care what happens to these students of color. What makes you think they will be offered food or shelter and not just left to slaughter. They want to get out just like anyone else. What reason do they have to lie themselves? Why have the boarder agents waste time processing them when they can process Ukrainians and get more of them out safely and quickly. The only thing worse in this case than making them sit in the back of the bus is not even letting them on the bus in the first Place.

[Anonymous]

So it seems the reports were true.

[Anonymous]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia has been falsely using this incident to propagandize as part of their horrible, distorted "Ukraine = nazi" narrative.

If Ukraine were truly such racist foreigner-hating nazis they:
a.) wouldn't have welcomed 80,000 foreign students from Nigeria and the rest of the world to study there in the first place, and
b.) wouldn't have elected a Jew whose family was victim of the Holocaust to their country's highest office with 73% of the vote.

These points don’t mean what you think they mean

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html

And Indians too now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's talk about who the real Nazis are, shall we?
This is Dimitri Utkin, head of Wagner Group, a private mercenary group with close ties to Putin. These guys do a lot of Putin's dirty work. They were known for grotesque brutality and beheadings in Syria.

See those tattoos on Utkin? They are real, and they include a Nazi Reichsadler and Nazi SS images. He named his private military firm "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer.
Right now, Wager Group has 400 assassins in the area of Kiev attempting to hunt down and kill the Jewish President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky.


Sit down and STFU if you're going to be pro-Putin and cast aspersions on anyone else. SIT THE FCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FCK UP.

+1 million. Putin apologists should understand who exactly they are backing.

Op here. Nobody is supporting Putin and Ukrainians are being racist.
More succinctly Putin is a racist pos and the Ukrainians are racist.
Fill better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that Poland is opening its borders ONLY for Ukrainian refugees due to war. If you are from India or Africa, it is very difficult to verify that you are legitimately fleeing war in the Ukraine and that you were there legally and aren't using the chaos to try to enter Poland as an authorized immigrant. If they are students, they should have left weeks ago.

Poland is letting people in. It is the Ukrainian soldiers who are not letting these people out. Putin is scum but what the Ukrainian soldiers are doing is not right. These videos of Indian and Nigerian students not allowed to pass, being beaten by Ukrainian soldiers does not look good. Any wonder why Nigeria and India are neutral?

Why would Ukrainian soldiers NOT let people out if they could? You think they want more people to feed, deal with housing and waste management, and all of that? These aren't people who are going to fight -- they are trying to leave. Ukrainian soldiers have every incentive to get them out and save resources for the citizens who are staying.

The only incentive NOT to is what was mentioned by a PP above -- when they get turned around at the border to Poland or wherever, it causes more work and time to reprocessing them.

This is a stupid talking point that makes no sense when you look at it more closely.

It makes sense if they don’t care what happens to these students of color. What makes you think they will be offered food or shelter and not just left to slaughter. They want to get out just like anyone else. What reason do they have to lie themselves? Why have the boarder agents waste time processing them when they can process Ukrainians and get more of them out safely and quickly. The only thing worse in this case than making them sit in the back of the bus is not even letting them on the bus in the first Place.

Again -- they have to poop and pee, they will have to steal food, and they can mess stuff up if they are angry.

Your post still doesn't make sense. If it's just a matter of letting them through and it's all smooth sailing after that, with another country waiting to accept them with open arms -- why keep them back? You have to deal with them, then. There's no incentive to keep them if they don't have to.

Have you seen what is happening to Ukraine? They don't have time to dick around and make things harder for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Many athletes of all colors are stuck in Ukraine attempting to make their way out of the country.

The lucky ones flew out a couple of days before fighting started.