What’s up with parents not wearing masks at the playground?
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Anonymous
It is a diminishingly small group of people who would be upset with you if you are truly distancing. Most of the mocking on this thread is for people who continue to mask outdoors. |
Anonymous
Really? Not aware of any that were exclusively outdoors. There is much more data that indoors with masks is unsafe compared to being maskless outdoors. “ Findings in Japan suggest an 18.7-fold higher risk of transmission indoors compared with outdoor environments [33]. For example, an outbreak investigation from China identified that 24 out of 67 passengers were infected during a 50-minute return bus journey (some were sitting beyond 2 metres from the index case), which was linked to an index case who was symptomatic the day before the trip. Findings from contact tracing studies in Japan suggest an 18.7-fold higher risk of transmission indoors compared with outdoor environments [33]. For example, an outbreak investigation from China identified that 24 out of 67 passengers were infected during a 50-minute return bus journey (some were sitting beyond 2 metres from the index case), which was linked to an index case who was symptomatic the day before the trip.” https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/933225/S0824_SARS-CoV-2_Transmission_routes_and_environments.pdf Why does combining a modestly effective indoor intervention (masking) with a highly effective intervention (being outdoors) make sense? Why not recognize that people need some normalcy? And this is low risk. |
Anonymous
The data does seem to suggest that it is much less likely that you will contract Covid outdoors. However, it is not zero either, as some PPs on this and other threads would like to suggest. Being outside is not a magic bullet, it is just much much better. Proximity and time of close proximity are the other factors. In some circumstance, masks outdoors are still a good idea. In other circumstances, people going without them should not cause great upset. Indoors, however, put your damn mask on. At the end of the day, people have lots of reasons why they might have their mask on outdoors and they are not obliged to share them with you. |
Anonymous
And also humidity may be a factor. |
Anonymous
+100 Well said. |
Anonymous
It’s pretty darn close to zero in the scenarios described in this thread. Like the 538 article said, whatever portion of that 6% was completely outdoors, was in very crowded environments - markets and rallies. Not on the sidewalk, not at the playground. No one here is saying masks indoors are unnecessary. |
Anonymous
Actually I do... - Living with the case, especially sleeping in the same room, attending family/friend gatherings, and dining were found to have a higher risk for transmission - Poor ventilation and crowding have been suggested to be factors in numerous transmission clusters, including those in bars, churches, and night clubs, karaoke bars [22, 23]. By contrast, such events have rarely occurred outside, and then only in the context of high levels of crowding. - The largest outbreaks from across the world have been reported in long term care facilities such as nursing homes, homeless shelters, prisons, and workplaces including meat-packing plants and factories - preventing onward transmission requires immediate self-isolation at the onset of symptoms - not asymptomatic spread - There is a strong association between socioeconomic deprivation, ethnicity and a higher risk of infection [47, 48]. People facing the greatest socioeconomic deprivation experience elevated risk of household and occupational exposure - the virus may be transmitted at a distance more than 2 m through aerosols [63]. These include prolonged stay in crowded, poorly ventilated indoor settings. - transferring infection from contaminated surfaces to the mucosa of eyes, nose, and mouth via unwashed hands is a possible route of transmission. So, not super worried about kids playing maskless outdoors. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-transmission-routes-and-environments-22-october-2020 |
Anonymous
You sound like a reasonable person, and I *mostly* agree with you. But on a macro level, this trend towards zeroism -- accepting nothing less than zero risk -- alarms and does affect me. Will we never be able to ditch hybrid school? Do this? Do that? Just because there is still a "not zero" risk?? Irrational levels of anxiety should not be validated. |
Anonymous
+1 thank you! |
Anonymous
I fear for the kids in San Fransisco. It’a kind of sadly funny. At the beginning of the pandemic, Cuomo was the hero leading the way. DeSantis was Death Sentence. 99% of schools are open in Florida. The governor refused to take Covid patients back to nursing homes, and that act was quite heroic. I say this as someone who voted a straight blue ticket. This summer I could not imagine voting for a republican, period. Although I am happy that Biden is in the white house, I will hold my nose and vote for candidate who will open schools and repeal mask mandates (if we aren’t back to normal soon). |
Anonymous
So mask kids 12+ like Denmark. Masking 2-7 year olds al day long is cruel. Pediatricians in Canada agree. |
Anonymous
New poster. Please change your child’a mask daily. And a wet mask absolutely seems both dangerous and ineffective. Another reason masking two year olds/kids with special needs is cruel. |
Anonymous
Data please? |
Anonymous
- There is zero evidence of outdoor superspreading. - Most “outdoor cases” included indoor mixing - Why do you think the wind wouldn’t disperse the virus? Source? |
Anonymous
Pot meet kettle. |