What’s up with parents not wearing masks at the playground?

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Anonymous wrote:science says outdoors with social media is almost zero chance of getting covid.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/03/13/covid-spread-outside-what-know-safety-masks-warm-weather/4642329001/

Eisenman and other experts agreed: Standard COVID-19 precautions – especially keeping your distance and wearing a mask – are especially effective at keeping you safe from the virus when spending time outside.

You are “very, very unlikely to catch COVID” if you’re keeping socially distant outside and wearing a mask when you can, Tsipursky said.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand the kind of person who gets bothered by this.

Do you know how covid is spread? You need close, unventilated interactions for a period of time. There is zero indication covid is being spread running around in open, outdoor playgrounds, especially if kids are not constantly on top of each other.

What's even worse is these mask strictists often pretend to support science. I feel so bad for the kids who have parents that have uncontrolled mental health and rope the kids into their issues.

Actually this is factually not accurate. 6% of cases are outdoor transmission. In one case, for instance, two people talked for 15 min outdoors. So if you’re doing things for longer with people and downwind you can absolutely have a risk of transmission. Also depends on whether that person is a super spreader.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand the kind of person who gets bothered by this.

Do you know how covid is spread? You need close, unventilated interactions for a period of time. There is zero indication covid is being spread running around in open, outdoor playgrounds, especially if kids are not constantly on top of each other.

What's even worse is these mask strictists often pretend to support science. I feel so bad for the kids who have parents that have uncontrolled mental health and rope the kids into their issues.

Actually this is factually not accurate. 6% of cases are outdoor transmission. In one case, for instance, two people talked for 15 min outdoors. So if you’re doing things for longer with people and downwind you can absolutely have a risk of transmission. Also depends on whether that person is a super spreader.

Where did you read that 6% fact and did it include restaurants? Just curious.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand the kind of person who gets bothered by this.

Do you know how covid is spread? You need close, unventilated interactions for a period of time. There is zero indication covid is being spread running around in open, outdoor playgrounds, especially if kids are not constantly on top of each other.

What's even worse is these mask strictists often pretend to support science. I feel so bad for the kids who have parents that have uncontrolled mental health and rope the kids into their issues.

Actually this is factually not accurate. 6% of cases are outdoor transmission. In one case, for instance, two people talked for 15 min outdoors. So if you’re doing things for longer with people and downwind you can absolutely have a risk of transmission. Also depends on whether that person is a super spreader.

I assume you got your 6% from the database discussed in this 538 article. Read more carefully, the 6% was out doors or PARTIALLY outdoors. So it’s like people throwing around the rose garden super spreader party as an example of outdoor transmission, even though a portion of the event was indoors. The outdoor transmission the database did find was at busy markets and rallies. If you’ve ever been to a market in China, you probably know it’s way more crowded than a playground in the DMV.

“For example, in a study of 7,324 Chinese case reports, only two — part of the same transmission event — could be linked to outdoor settings. A database of more than 20,000 cases (including the 7,324 Chinese cases) found 461 that were associated with transmission in completely outdoor environments — predominantly crowded events like markets and rallies. Overall, only 6 percent of all the cases in that database were linked to events that were either totally or partially outdoors.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-summer-of-covid-19-taught-scientists-about-indoor-vs-outdoor-transmission/

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand the kind of person who gets bothered by this.

Do you know how covid is spread? You need close, unventilated interactions for a period of time. There is zero indication covid is being spread running around in open, outdoor playgrounds, especially if kids are not constantly on top of each other.

What's even worse is these mask strictists often pretend to support science. I feel so bad for the kids who have parents that have uncontrolled mental health and rope the kids into their issues.

Actually this is factually not accurate. 6% of cases are outdoor transmission. In one case, for instance, two people talked for 15 min outdoors. So if you’re doing things for longer with people and downwind you can absolutely have a risk of transmission. Also depends on whether that person is a super spreader.

I assume you got your 6% from the database discussed in this 538 article. Read more carefully, the 6% was out doors or PARTIALLY outdoors. So it’s like people throwing around the rose garden super spreader party as an example of outdoor transmission, even though a portion of the event was indoors. The outdoor transmission the database did find was at busy markets and rallies. If you’ve ever been to a market in China, you probably know it’s way more crowded than a playground in the DMV.

“For example, in a study of 7,324 Chinese case reports, only two — part of the same transmission event — could be linked to outdoor settings. A database of more than 20,000 cases (including the 7,324 Chinese cases) found 461 that were associated with transmission in completely outdoor environments — predominantly crowded events like markets and rallies. Overall, only 6 percent of all the cases in that database were linked to events that were either totally or partially outdoors.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-summer-of-covid-19-taught-scientists-about-indoor-vs-outdoor-transmission/

Also I'd bet that "partially outdoors" includes those big dining tents with a little flap to outside.

The idea that people are getting covid running past each other outside (kids at playgrounds, adults on sidewalks, etc) is unsubstantiated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh shut up. I wear a mask at the playground personally to avoid conflict but of ALL the things to get worked up over. It’s fine. It’s outside.

No. It is not fine with that many people and most of whom have not been vaccinated. Also, stop telling saying
shut up because it screams that you are a rude jerk.

[Anonymous]

If I'm sitting by myself 6 feet apart I take my mask off, if I am socializing or cloe to others I put it on.

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Anonymous wrote:All you people who are still wearing masks after being vaccinated are holding back society. Be free! Science doesn’t support you wearing a mask after being vaccinated. Wake up.

that's NOT true - the CDC recommends that those vaccinated fully continue to wear masks and practice social distancing when with people who are not vaccinated. Because we (I'm vaccinated fully) can still spread covid to others they think - they are studying this so this might change but at this time, haven't you seen the "I'm fully vaccinated but I still wear a mask and socially distance" ads?

CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

when with fully vaccinated people, you may go mask-free. with unvaccinated people, keep mask on. (and more but this is about masks)

This is not accurate -- they don't really "think" vaccinated people can still spread covid; it's just that because the vaccines are so new, they don't yet KNOW that it prevents spread. But they very much EXPECT that it DOES prevent spread because that is true for basically all the similar vaccines out there.

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Anonymous wrote:All you people who are still wearing masks after being vaccinated are holding back society. Be free! Science doesn’t support you wearing a mask after being vaccinated. Wake up.

that's NOT true - the CDC recommends that those vaccinated fully continue to wear masks and practice social distancing when with people who are not vaccinated. Because we (I'm vaccinated fully) can still spread covid to others they think - they are studying this so this might change but at this time, haven't you seen the "I'm fully vaccinated but I still wear a mask and socially distance" ads?

CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

when with fully vaccinated people, you may go mask-free. with unvaccinated people, keep mask on. (and more but this is about masks)

This is not accurate -- they don't really "think" vaccinated people can still spread covid; it's just that because the vaccines are so new, they don't yet KNOW that it prevents spread. But they very much EXPECT that it DOES prevent spread because that is true for basically all the similar vaccines out there.

This one really bothers me. They obviously *don't* think you can still spread it if the CDC is saying vaccinated people no longer have to quarantine if they are in direct contact with a covid positive person. It’s ridiculous that the CDC directly contradicted itself with its own guidance.

They are telling people to keep wearing masks so losers don’t pretend to be vaccinated just to ditch the mask. Remember, the CDC speaks to the lowest common denominator, and in this country that includes a crap load of people who never believed covid was a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Masks are only recommended outside when 6’ of distance can’t be maintained. It’s fine. Really.

Not true. Even for fully vaccinated people CDC recommends to: "continue to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart from other people in other settings, like when they are in public or visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households.

The CDC also recommends that we all cook our steaks well done, and that all eggs should be hard-boiled. Their recommendations are well on the side of overly cautious.

And women should never have more than one drink in 24 hours. We should all be avoiding sushi and over easy eggs too.

I mean, the type of people who work for the CDC and come up with these guidelines are probably incredibly careful, cautious, socially anxious germophobes. The type of lifestyle they propose isn't worth living.

+1. WHO says 3 feet? Let’s double it. WHO says mask 5 year olds? Let’s mask 2 year olds.

+1. The travel guidelines too. Party on in your own state but if you cross the border to go camping, test and quarantine for a week when you return home.

Right. Somehow, it's okay for my kid, who is in DCPS, to go skiing in Wisp (since it's just barely inside Maryland), but not Snowshoe (which is just barely outside of Virginia). You can go party in Ocean City, Maryland, but not Dewey Beach, Delaware.

These rules stopped making sense a long time ago. We pretty much ignore them.

You and many other people, which is why covid continues to spread.

You do not understand how Covid spreads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Outdoors and distanced? Why would you wear a mask. And the whole point of masking after vax is just to avoid the kind of "vax not vaxxed" issues that might pop up. Everyone knows you don't need to mask after vax.

Exactly. It’s to avoid having two classes of people.

Moreover, people who have been infected should also be able to move kn. But, there are issues messaging that for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous]

I bring food and drink to playground so that I have an excuse to take my mask off as I'm sitting on a bench, alone, and my kid is playing. I know people will judge me for just sitting there without my mask on even though I am far from anyone. I put my mask on to play with my kid even if no one else is at the playground, because I am afraid of the crazy people on this thread and elsewhere who will see me playing alone with my child and call me out for being unmasked for the moment.

But yeah, I bring coffee or bottled water or a snack with me so I can pull my mask off and take sips or bites intermittently. I'm not hungry or thirsty, I just want to be outside and breathe fresh air without being accused of being a Trump supporter or a science denier.

Who, in this scenario, is the "mean girl" and who is the person just trying to safely occupy space in the world without being ostracized and ridiculed by others?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand the kind of person who gets bothered by this.

Do you know how covid is spread? You need close, unventilated interactions for a period of time. There is zero indication covid is being spread running around in open, outdoor playgrounds, especially if kids are not constantly on top of each other.

What's even worse is these mask strictists often pretend to support science. I feel so bad for the kids who have parents that have uncontrolled mental health and rope the kids into their issues.

That is the main way it is spread, but not the only way. Kids are gross. They sneeze and cough all over each other. How does it hurt you if someone else wears a mask. Not at all.

If kids are sneezing and coughing they are supposed to stay home. I would not go near a masked or unmasked person who is sneezing or coughing.

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Anonymous wrote:Masks are only recommended outside when 6’ of distance can’t be maintained. It’s fine. Really.

Not true. Even for fully vaccinated people CDC recommends to: "continue to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart from other people in other settings, like when they are in public or visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households.

The CDC also recommends that we all cook our steaks well done, and that all eggs should be hard-boiled. Their recommendations are well on the side of overly cautious.

And women should never have more than one drink in 24 hours. We should all be avoiding sushi and over easy eggs too.

I mean, the type of people who work for the CDC and come up with these guidelines are probably incredibly careful, cautious, socially anxious germophobes. The type of lifestyle they propose isn't worth living.

+1. WHO says 3 feet? Let’s double it. WHO says mask 5 year olds? Let’s mask 2 year olds.

+1. The travel guidelines too. Party on in your own state but if you cross the border to go camping, test and quarantine for a week when you return home.

Right. Somehow, it's okay for my kid, who is in DCPS, to go skiing in Wisp (since it's just barely inside Maryland), but not Snowshoe (which is just barely outside of Virginia). You can go party in Ocean City, Maryland, but not Dewey Beach, Delaware.

These rules stopped making sense a long time ago. We pretty much ignore them.

You and many other people, which is why covid continues to spread.

You do not understand how Covid spreads.

clearly neither do you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand the kind of person who gets bothered by this.

Do you know how covid is spread? You need close, unventilated interactions for a period of time. There is zero indication covid is being spread running around in open, outdoor playgrounds, especially if kids are not constantly on top of each other.

What's even worse is these mask strictists often pretend to support science. I feel so bad for the kids who have parents that have uncontrolled mental health and rope the kids into their issues.

That is the main way it is spread, but not the only way. Kids are gross. They sneeze and cough all over each other. How does it hurt you if someone else wears a mask. Not at all.

If kids are sneezing and coughing they are supposed to stay home. I would not go near a masked or unmasked person who is sneezing or coughing.

Tons of idiot parents out there will say...it's allergies or whatever and take their kid to the park. Or kids just cough and sneeze sometimes for whatever reason. Point is, kids are gross. We love em, but they are gross. And at the playground they will yell and scream while they are running around. If kids are playing together on equipment and a parent wants their kid to mask up as an extra precaution, it is not unreasonable and doesn't impact YOU negatively at all, so why would you fight with them about it? Why would you demean them as overly anxious or mentally unsound.

There are a lot of people on these threads who openly mock and question the sanity of people who continue to follow guidelines, which is rude and also asinine. If you do that, you can't expect anyone to take you for anything but a person who is mean and has to rationalize your own rude behavior. If you are so confident that you are fine with the risks you take, why would you demean others for choosing differently.

The truth is, none of you can definitely prove it one way or the other. We simply cannot. We don't have adequate data. People go with the assumptions that fit their own worldview.