What’s up with parents not wearing masks at the playground?

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Anonymous wrote:Next time I’ll wave to you OP! I’m definitely a maskless mom at the playground. I know you find this shocking but it has absolutely nothing to do with you.

NP. I do not give a damn if you and everyone of your entire family get covid and die but you have no right to endanger the lives of anyone else!

Are you...familiar with how correlated with age the outcomes on this are? The death ratios for 5-17 year-olds are 1/7,900 that of 85+ year-olds. Children without health conditions have basically zero risk of dying. Even for young and middle-aged adults, it's very low. If you're old or sick enough that your life is at risk in any substantive way, I have good news for you about vaccine availability.

The data from Israel show 20-30% of infected children have long haul symptoms. Hopefully you understand that some parents don’t want their kids saddled with chronic fatigue or breathing issues. That really affects your quality of life, and we are probably a few years out from understanding the pathology of the virus and the proper treatments. My friend works at an ICU and has seen 19 year olds come in with heart failure after an asymptomatic course of illness. Of course you are not in an ICU so you don’t understand close up what the disease does.

Source, please? I don’t believe for a second the nineteen year olds you are describing were previously healthy.

Yup. Previously healthy. Go talk to your friends who work ICU. A lot unknown yet about the pathology of this.

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But for secondary school teachers there was increased risk of illness without the masks.


So mask kids 12+ like Denmark. Masking 2-7 year olds al day long is cruel. Pediatricians in Canada agree.


I agree. I don’t know why we can’t have some middle ground here- some states have ditched masks altogether while here we force toddlers to wear them despite it being developmentally inappropriate and when it’s been shown transmission among young kids is low.


+1. Your daycare kids are going to have some funny looking ears. And I cannot understand why people think it’s fine for toddlers and preschoolers to go 5 days per week for an entire year, without seeing facial expressions. One day we will look back at our treatment of children during this pandemic with horror.


The kids 5 and under won’t even remember this year. Funny looking ears? Do you hear yourself? wtf is wrong with you

What does not remembering it have to do with being harmful to their development? They aren’t getting something that’s of value most of their waking hours during the week? Are you going to argue that facial responses of caregivers are not important during early childhood development? There is a reason the WHO recommends against masking kids under 6. Their guidelines are much more thoughtful than CDC’s.

“Surgical masks with ear loops can be harmful to the correct development of the auricle by permanently modifying the cartilage of the concha in growing children.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7302120/

Just sew elastics that go around their heads. Not that hard.

Whenever we’ve tried the elastics around the head they slip down. My toddler still has slippery baby fine hair which probably doesn’t help, but I feel like I’m missing some special trick to make this easier for my 2yo. So many people here don’t seem to have trouble and I feel like an idiot.

For my in school kid we loop that over a ponytail. For the younger one we put the elastic around a hat. It’s worked well in fall/winter with wool hats. Gotta figure it out for summer. Maybe a baseball hat.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

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You know, a month or two ago I would have just said ‘wear the mask if others are there, it’s good optics and it’s low cost.

But now, that so many people are vaccinated and increasing evidence says outside exposure risk is low? I don’t care. You do you. It’s incredibly unlikey to spread covid.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, a month or two ago I would have just said ‘wear the mask if others are there, it’s good optics and it’s low cost.

But now, that so many people are vaccinated and increasing evidence says outside exposure risk is low? I don’t care. You do you. It’s incredibly unlikey to spread covid.

Please give sources for all your claims. Seriously asking, not snarky.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, a month or two ago I would have just said ‘wear the mask if others are there, it’s good optics and it’s low cost.

But now, that so many people are vaccinated and increasing evidence says outside exposure risk is low? I don’t care. You do you. It’s incredibly unlikey to spread covid.

Please give sources for all your claims. Seriously asking, not snarky.

Here is an excellent source:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/933225/S0824_SARS-CoV-2_Transmission_routes_and_environments.pdf

“ In a systematic review (pre-print) that included papers published up to 3 July 2020, secondary attack rates from asymptomatic index cases ranged from 0% to 2.8% (9 studies) “

“ Although many cases show evidence for respiratory transmission at close-range, there is evidence that under certain circumstances the virus may be transmitted at a distance more than 2 m through aerosols [63]. These include prolonged stay in crowded, poorly ventilated indoor settings. Findings from contact tracing studies in
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Japan suggest an 18.7-fold higher risk of transmission indoors compared with outdoor environments [33].”

You are not likely to have asymptomatic transmission occur in your own home. Outdoor transmission is very unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, a month or two ago I would have just said ‘wear the mask if others are there, it’s good optics and it’s low cost.

But now, that so many people are vaccinated and increasing evidence says outside exposure risk is low? I don’t care. You do you. It’s incredibly unlikey to spread covid.

There aren't so many vaccinated people, especially in MD. And, no kids are vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

I dont think masking is near the end though, I think there will be efforts to keep it in place until kids are vaccinated- which could be a year from now!

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

I dont think masking is near the end though, I think there will be efforts to keep it in place until kids are vaccinated- which could be a year from now!

+1 sadly. We’ll have to get to zero Covid like Australia/NZ, or a pediatric vaccine before people will give up masks. Both are years off.

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i just assume they're vaccinated

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I just forgot mine yesterday, walked to the park with kids and dog. I just didnt get close to people. It was outdoors and no trouble distancing. Kids had theirs.
I'm not against wearing a mask at all, and never go in a business establishment without one!

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

I dont think masking is near the end though, I think there will be efforts to keep it in place until kids are vaccinated- which could be a year from now!

+1 sadly. We’ll have to get to zero Covid like Australia/NZ, or a pediatric vaccine before people will give up masks. Both are years off.

+1. Which is why somebody with some sort of authority needs to intervene- the negatives of young kids continuing to mask outweigh the positives. I'd argue this was always the case, but even more so once most adults are vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

I dont think masking is near the end though, I think there will be efforts to keep it in place until kids are vaccinated- which could be a year from now!

+1 sadly. We’ll have to get to zero Covid like Australia/NZ, or a pediatric vaccine before people will give up masks. Both are years off.

+1. Which is why somebody with some sort of authority needs to intervene- the negatives of young kids continuing to mask outweigh the positives. I'd argue this was always the case, but even more so once most adults are vaccinated.

I think it will have to come down to comparing mask optional school districts to those that require masks. Texas has left masking up to individual districts. Also, UK, Sweden, Denmark, etc. don’t mask young children. Tracy Hoeg has recently recommended RCT mask vs. no mask schools. With so many adults now vaccinated, she thinks it’s safe to run the trial. I hope someone will fund this research.

Sadly, those of us in blue states may be masking out children quite a while longer.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way in hell I would send my baby to a daycare where the caregivers are masked all day long. That absolutely will have long term effects on these kids. Also putting a mask on a young child and expecting them to wear it all day long is cruel.

I blame the CDC, not the parents. They are lacking in common sense, but honestly trying to follow public health guidelines while providing for their families.

Yeah, find me a daycare where at least the caregivers aren’t wearing masks. I really wish the CDC would update the guidance for kids though. How can we bring attention to this issue?

Canada’s pediatricians are bringing it to the attention through public documents like this one:

https://www.sickkids.ca/siteassets/news/news-archive/2020/covid19-recommendations-for-school-reopening-sickkids.pdf

The debate here is so toxic, many are afraid to speak up for children.

I’m not afraid to speak up, but when I’ve mentioned it to the county they cite cdc as the reason for the requirement. How do you get cdc to re-evaluate?

Professionals need to speak to news media. Tracy Beth Hoeg and Monica Gandhi spoke up for kids regarding the unfounded 6 feet social distancing requirement, and the CDC did backtrack.

The problem with speaking up now is that the damage is done. The pandemic is nearing the end. There is a high professional cost to questioning masking, as you could be lumped in with fringe groups. So, they will just let it play out. One day, researchers will study the social development of 0-5 year olds that spent the majority of their waking hours without seeing facial expressions for an entire year.

I dont think masking is near the end though, I think there will be efforts to keep it in place until kids are vaccinated- which could be a year from now!

+1 sadly. We’ll have to get to zero Covid like Australia/NZ, or a pediatric vaccine before people will give up masks. Both are years off.

+1. Which is why somebody with some sort of authority needs to intervene- the negatives of young kids continuing to mask outweigh the positives. I'd argue this was always the case, but even more so once most adults are vaccinated.

I think it will have to come down to comparing mask optional school districts to those that require masks. Texas has left masking up to individual districts. Also, UK, Sweden, Denmark, etc. don’t mask young children. Tracy Hoeg has recently recommended RCT mask vs. no mask schools. With so many adults now vaccinated, she thinks it’s safe to run the trial. I hope someone will fund this research.

Sadly, those of us in blue states may be masking out children quite a while longer.

I hope not. Funny, in the latest school study the only transmission was...masked.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7012e3.htm?s_cid=mm7012e3_w