22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

The elderly are not driving public policy. Good lord no. And there is so much disdain about LTCs coming out of LEFT field that it's enough to make your head spin. The elderly are being used as an EXCUSE for these overreaching bans and orders. You think they give a sh*t about old people? Ha. No.

This is more about having the power to restrict the freedoms of all Americans.

LTCs will figure out how to keep their residents as safe as possible and they will do it in a compassionate way as they have throughout this nightmare.

You are both absolutely nuts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see a dentist? What are you talking about? Dental offices are still open for emergency procedures.

[Anonymous]

^As far as the MD health dept goes...I dunno.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

The elderly are not driving public policy. Good lord no. And there is so much disdain about LTCs coming out of LEFT field that it's enough to make your head spin. The elderly are being used as an EXCUSE for these overreaching bans and orders. You think they give a sh*t about old people? Ha. No.

This is more about having the power to restrict the freedoms of all Americans.

LTCs will figure out how to keep their residents as safe as possible and they will do it in a compassionate way as they have throughout this nightmare.

You are both absolutely nuts.

Unlike yourself who can't seem to articulate a clear point of view to save your life. Poor thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

It's not the dentists making these calls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

I'll take a stab at this - I am not the above poster nor do I agree with her. The sentiment comes from a place of FEAR. Fear that they will quickly fall into poverty or lack food or health care because they cannot work. Or fear that they will have to support others who will quickly fall into poverty, lack food or health care because they cannot work. Our country, for better and for worse, has been based on the fallacy that an individual can do anything if he just works hard enough and the government gets out of the way - and that's been the overriding philosophy of the conservative movement of the last 30-40 years. Many of our social needs are met through the companies we work for - like health care, money for food, child care. In the last forty years, the conservative movement has been trying to shrink government to get out of education, innovation, and public health as well - preferring to leave it up to private industry. Now that we are seeing the fruits of that labor. We are now in a situation where government is needed and individuals cannot just work their way out of it, so people who have this philosophy are left with nothing to fall back on, thus they argue for getting back to work instead of reasonable social safety nets and programs to support the country during a time of unimaginable crisis because it is all that they know to do. They don't want to ignore the elderly, the infirm, the other - but they fear so much becoming them, that they are desperate to argue in favor of policies that have the effect of ignoring them.

Or maybe it’s a totally rational thought. There are literally 2 mile food lines in South Africa right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/30/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-UHX22A2N25HVPN7UKRICN4SQ7U

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Not just dental work- cancer surgeries are getting postponed. Cancer surgeries people! Who cares if we “save” a few thousand people from the virus if as many people just die from other untreated conditions instead?

[Anonymous]

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Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

The elderly are not driving public policy. Good lord no. And there is so much disdain about LTCs coming out of LEFT field that it's enough to make your head spin. The elderly are being used as an EXCUSE for these overreaching bans and orders. You think they give a sh*t about old people? Ha. No.

This is more about having the power to restrict the freedoms of all Americans.

LTCs will figure out how to keep their residents as safe as possible and they will do it in a compassionate way as they have throughout this nightmare.

You are both absolutely nuts.

Not either of the PPs but if policy makers truly cared about the residents and staff at these facilities there would be more targeted measures than restricting visitors. Staff are still going to and fro from multiple facilities- until that is solved it’s just going to keep spreading around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Except it IS community spread, and workers there can and do spread the infection outside of their workplace and into the community, including hospitals, other nursing homes, group homes, and prisons... all places with people highly likely to catch it, and perhaps die from it.

No. It’s not. Treat nursing home workers totally differently. You can isolate them until this is over. We need a strong public health response to this. This is NOT the same as general community spread.

It is not the same as community spread because every other place is closed. Have you noticed that every place where people are in close quarters (factories, nursing homes, hospitals) there is rampant coronavirus? Because everywhere else is closed or is practicing social distancing. If you open everything up and we go back to crowding everywhere, the death rates for all populations will shoot straight up.

Uh huh. Sure. Sweden shows us that.

Oh so now we want to be sweden. Gh e. Health care for all. Paid leave, universal pre-K and childcare

Yes, actually, I'd love to be like Sweden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

The elderly are not driving public policy. Good lord no. And there is so much disdain about LTCs coming out of LEFT field that it's enough to make your head spin. The elderly are being used as an EXCUSE for these overreaching bans and orders. You think they give a sh*t about old people? Ha. No.

This is more about having the power to restrict the freedoms of all Americans.

LTCs will figure out how to keep their residents as safe as possible and they will do it in a compassionate way as they have throughout this nightmare.

You are both absolutely nuts.

Not either of the PPs but if policy makers truly cared about the residents and staff at these facilities there would be more targeted measures than restricting visitors. Staff are still going to and fro from multiple facilities- until that is solved it’s just going to keep spreading around.

Hogan is implementing a lot of measures to tackle the nursing home outbreaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Because it’s not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should not be destroying so many livelihoods for this. Anyone who wishes to is free to stay home as long as they’d like. Others need to be free to earn a living. Nursing home residents should not drive public policy.

Where do people like you come from? What went wrong growing up?

Oh, get off your high horse. People shouldn't be walking around with their teeth falling out of their heads because they can't see the dentist and people absolutely need to be able to make a living.

Stop using the elderly as your excuse to continue these draconian measures. You are fooling no one.

Exactly. I have a cavity that needs to be filled, but my dentist isn't going to keep my May 5th appointment. That means I could end up needing a root canal.

My husband got a tooth extracted and his oral surgeon won't continue the implant procedure. He also needs bone grafting that has to wait.

The absence of dental services is really disturbing. I thought they'd be able to do emergency procedures, but our local dentists apparently don't consider our dental work an emergency.

Because it’s not.

A filling isn't an emergency? Well, it'll become an emergency when I end up needing a root canal.