Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Grandpa thought there was a window there. He was mistaken. Poor guy. He didn’t do anything wrong but really neither did the cruise ship.

BS. He lifted her on purpose to the open window to look out. The glass went all the way to the floor so if she wanted to look out he didn’t need to lift her at all. He chose that open window, miscalculated and in an instant it ended in tragedy. It’s so very sad and it was fully preventable. There was zero reason to lift her up and prop her on the railing.

[Anonymous]

No lawsuit will bring back this child. If having windows opened on a high rise floor, windows large enough to fall out of, safety precautions and changes should be made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No lawsuit will bring back this child. If having windows opened on a high rise floor, windows large enough to fall out of, safety precautions and changes should be made.

This makes no sense. There needs to be a shred of personal responsibility or there will be no windows to open, no balconies on any buildings and the world will be wrapped in bubble wrap with warning labels on everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Play area or bar area - doesn’t matter. There should not have been any open window that high. Period.

So, no balconies? No open decks?

No, because even if the railings are 10 feet up or the the windows are skylights someone could bring in a ladder and then fall out.
We need to ban all windows that open and all balconies and open decks.

[Anonymous]

I am not talking about balconies and roof tops. I am only referring to having windows that open wide on floors that are high up like hotels, skyscrapers. Have you been to one of those or dined at a top floor restaurant and expect to see a large open window?

Grandpa didn’t dangle the child over a balcony like Michael
Jackson nor put her on the railing on the Lido deck, he propped her on the railing thinking it was enclosed like at the Aquarium. In my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Play area or bar area - doesn’t matter. There should not have been any open window that high. Period.

So, no balconies? No open decks?

No, because even if the railings are 10 feet up or the the windows are skylights someone could bring in a ladder and then fall out.
We need to ban all windows that open and all balconies and open decks.

I don't need a ladder. I would build a ramp using the deck chairs. Then sue for not having the deck chairs properly anchored to the floor.

[Anonymous]

So hysterical to make fun of this situation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not talking about balconies and roof tops. I am only referring to having windows that open wide on floors that are high up like hotels, skyscrapers. Have you been to one of those or dined at a top floor restaurant and expect to see a large open window?

Grandpa didn’t dangle the child over a balcony like Michael
Jackson nor put her on the railing on the Lido deck, he propped her on the railing thinking it was enclosed like at the Aquarium. In my opinion.

It was 5 feet off the ground. And a completely different color. And railings aren’t for propping babies anyway.

[Anonymous]

I watched the interview and found it odd when the mom said “Sam has NEVER put our children in danger.” and she seemed to be including the present situation in that statement. Denial is a powerful thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No lawsuit will bring back this child. If having windows opened on a high rise floor, windows large enough to fall out of, safety precautions and changes should be made.

This makes no sense. There needs to be a shred of personal responsibility or there will be no windows to open, no balconies on any buildings and the world will be wrapped in bubble wrap with warning labels on everything.

Such warnings would acknowledge that there is a risk of not having personal responsibility.

[Anonymous]

From an industrial engineering standpoint, I'm surprised a cruise ship would have open windows like that. I'm not saying that RC was responsible, per se, but hopefully this lawsuit will compel all cruise ships to design their boats with better safety in mind by accounting for the human factor. I remember in grad school, we looked at studies where the majority of people who bought chain saws never read the directions; as such, new designs of chains saws accounted for this by incorporating a two-factor process (using two hands to operate the chain saw and if one had was removed, the chain saw stopped operating). Again, I'm not saying RC was responsible, but hopefully this whole thing will lead to better design.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I watched the interview and found it odd when the mom said “Sam has NEVER put our children in danger.” and she seemed to be including the present situation in that statement. Denial is a powerful thing.

This is just it. It is now a campaign to absolve the one person who was actually holding onto, and had physical custody of, her baby. Terrible things happen, but they need to be acknowledged for one to move on from them. This is denial, all around. I know it is the worst thing that could happen, but it happened, and they need to heal as a family, not pretend that what happened didn't happen. This ambulance chaser is not helping matters. I never understood why anyone involved in a family tragedy would go on a PR campaign about how great their family is - because if that is what the parents think this is about, they are never going to heal. Instead, they are going to draw attention to their guilt and mistake, and *call into scrutiny their decision making skills*. It was a terrible mistake, but they ned to heal, not make it worse while thinking they are distracting or fooling anyone, because they are not, and their baby is gone. Sorry if I sound harsh, I just don't think they can heal in the direction they are going, and they look like they are trying to bring attention to themselves for all the wrong reasons.

[Anonymous]

The family was successful in their post-natal abortion, and now they want to cash in. Good thing they had a kid to begin with, because just think of the even more terrible things they'd be doing had they not.

Parenting making you "a better person" and whatnot, or so I'm told.

[Anonymous]

I don't agree with the parents' lawsuit or their media tour, but I am also not passing judgment on them at this stage. This happened, what, 2 weeks ago? 3? Not much time has passed. I can't even imagine how I might feel and act if I lost a child under traumatic circumstances (or any circumstances, really). I also can't imagine how I would feel if one of my relatives were involved. Denial is one of the stages of grief and maybe that's the only way they can function at this point.

The better course would be for them to lay low and process this trauma so that, after some time has passed, they can decide how to proceed. But then again, it's easy for all of us to sit here and talk about what they should and shouldn't be doing because this didn't happen to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From an industrial engineering standpoint, I'm surprised a cruise ship would have open windows like that. I'm not saying that RC was responsible, per se, but hopefully this lawsuit will compel all cruise ships to design their boats with better safety in mind by accounting for the human factor. I remember in grad school, we looked at studies where the majority of people who bought chain saws never read the directions; as such, new designs of chains saws accounted for this by incorporating a two-factor process (using two hands to operate the chain saw and if one had was removed, the chain saw stopped operating). Again, I'm not saying RC was responsible, but hopefully this whole thing will lead to better design.

What is the point of being on a cruise ship if the whole thing is sealed in a bubble so you can never get fresh air? You think here should be no balconies on rooms? No open-air decks?