Woman killed while jogging near Logan Circle

[Anonymous]

Think of the hundreds of thousands of women in this city who go about their normal business every day and who are not crime victims. What happened to Wendy Martinez is horrible but it's not going to make me live in fear. It was a freak thing. There are no mobs of deranged knife wielding homeless men out to get us, no matter what someone in Ashburn tells us.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard of "driving while black" used to accurately describe the perilous act of simply driving for innocent black men.

I think a another slogan could be "jogging while being a white female"... seems many white females have fatal events occur while jogging... this poor woman in DC, Molly Tibbets, the Central Park jogger, Karina Ventrano to name a few high profile ones.

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Anonymous wrote:DC thugs have something against white women and little black girls... that yoga instructor was murdered back on Christmas day 2016 and the little girl was shot and killed recently AND now this !!!

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The little girl was an accidental bystander shooting. Better to bring up Nia Wilson. Who was also stabbed in the neck and left to die. Not even three months ago.

Although this is awful, it wasn't in DC.

Nia’s killer was a transient/homeless parolee.

I guarantee we'll find out that Wendy's killer was also homeless with a past criminal record.

It's not rocket science. It's a pattern.

Oh, but next month posters will be crying how unfair it is that so many black men are incarcerated. As if they are in prison for no reason and should be set free because too many are in prison. Well, here is yet another one that also should have been in prison.

Most of those protesters are fighting illegal convictions which were instituted without proper evidence - particularly DNA evidence. Every week you hear of another 'black man' who was in prison for 10-30 years and it turns out - WOW THEY DIDN'T KILL or RAPE whoever they were inprisoned for.

27 years for a wrongful conviction - https://www.golfdigest.com/story/for-valentino-dixon-a-wrong-righted-murder-charge-vacated-by-court-after-serving-27-years-in-prison

28 years for a wrongful conviction - https://www.kark.com/news/local-news/update-man-released-from-prison-after-murder-conviction-overturned/1392149322

17 years for a wrongful conviction - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/kansas-doppelganger-richard-jones.html

6 years for a wrongful conviction - https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/09/17/milwaukee-man-regain-innocence-after-6-years-prison/1335295002/

Those are all releases in the last 30 days.

Murderers and rapists absolutely deserve to be imprisoned and I think - have the death penalty enforced. But for too long, black men have been convicted for crimes committed by other individuals. And quite frankly - usually committed by the spouses/boyfriends/friends of the deceased who lie about it. DNA however doesn't lie.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard of "driving while black" used to accurately describe the perilous act of simply driving for innocent black men.

I think a another slogan could be "jogging while being a white female"... seems many white females have fatal events occur while jogging... this poor woman in DC, Molly Tibbets, the Central Park jogger, Karina Ventrano to name a few high profile ones.

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Well you can google "female jogger assaulted" and find out for yourself. You do acknowledge the one's listed above actually happened right ???

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Anonymous wrote:Think of the hundreds of thousands of women in this city who go about their normal business every day and who are not crime victims. What happened to Wendy Martinez is horrible but it's not going to make me live in fear. It was a freak thing. There are no mobs of deranged knife wielding homeless men out to get us, no matter what someone in Ashburn tells us.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

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That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

You don't think women should be able to walk home at 7:15? Ok.

Of course they should be able to. I wish it were so. But it’s just not a good idea in that area (and many other areas in this city unfortunately). Sorry to break it to you.

Lots and lots of women walk home at 7:15 pm all the time. Here is what happens to them: they get home.

What I don't think is a good idea, is limiting your movements based on the possibility of a very, very rare event happening to you.

Not so rare. Maybe an actual murder, yes, OK, but I guarantee you that many of those walks home involve some measure of harassment. I know several women who have been accosted, grabbed, yelled at, etcetera by homeless while walking home from work on those and similar blocks after dark. They now Uber.

I walk on that block pretty much every day. I have for 15 years. I usually see dozens of other people doing the same. I've never seen anyone be touched inappropriately in any way.

Me too usually with my 11 yr old. We live close by. Been walking around there since we moved into the area when DS was 2. Nothing remotely bad has ever happened to us and we walk around later than 8pm all the time. This poor woman. What a tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:DC thugs have something against white women and little black girls... that yoga instructor was murdered back on Christmas day 2016 and the little girl was shot and killed recently AND now this !!!

No, actually, the rate of violence against black women in DC is higher than white women.

By complete and utter strangers? What’s the stat on that?

I don’t know statistically but I’m white and I know significantly more black women who were killed by a stranger in DC than white women.

I know of significantly more black women who were killed in sketchy areas. This is unique because of the location. White people are supposed to be safe in Logan’s circle. That’s got everyone freaked out.

Oh, did you do a full study of murders of black women? what's your point?

My point should have been obvious. It’s not about race, it’s about location. It’s not scary that a white woman was killed. It’s scary that a white woman was killed in a “safe” area.

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Anonymous wrote:DC thugs have something against white women and little black girls... that yoga instructor was murdered back on Christmas day 2016 and the little girl was shot and killed recently AND now this !!!

No, actually, the rate of violence against black women in DC is higher than white women.

By complete and utter strangers? What’s the stat on that?

I don’t know statistically but I’m white and I know significantly more black women who were killed by a stranger in DC than white women.

I know of significantly more black women who were killed in sketchy areas. This is unique because of the location. White people are supposed to be safe in Logan’s circle. That’s got everyone freaked out.

Oh, did you do a full study of murders of black women? what's your point?

My point should have been obvious. It’s not about race, it’s about location. It’s not scary that a white woman was killed. It’s scary that a white woman was killed in a “safe” area.

I’m confused. Are white woman some sort of special class? Because you are really harping on it being a white woman in a “safe area.”

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Anonymous wrote:Odd that so many are looking at this _solely_ through the prism of gender -- men attacking women -- when it might have been a racial hate crime (if the "colors" were reversed, that's the way WaPo would frame it), or just an example of the random risks of trying to go about your life in a culture where feral, drugged-out predators are allowed to prowl the streets unmolested.

I agree with this. The homeless in DC (and many other American cities) have been allowed to take over and do whatever they want, set up makeshift encampments on public sidewalks, rant and rave, punch the air, scream expletives with children around, whatever, while the rest of us scurry along and hope they don’t decide to harm us. It is unacceptable that the rights of the drugged out and mentally ill trump all others. When will we learn?

I was walking with my daughter by CVS in Tenleytown and a homeless person was raving curse words and threatening phrases. Alarmed, I flagged down a police officer in a passing cruiser and asked him to intervene. He scolded me for flagging him down, and informed me about freedom of speech. Reluctantly, he called some sort of paddy wagon. Police don't want tot ouch this with a ten foot stick, and IMO it's because they feel hung out to dry. Someone will video them doing a wellness check and complain about infringement of rights, and they don't want to be social workers nor are jails the proper place for these people. Our politicians need to address this. DC currently offers fairly moderate weather, many day shelters, lots of dummies who hand out money on the street will nilly, a Mayor who has offered year round right to shelter, and is the home to the federal government which is a MAGNET for the mentally ill. We also need to lock up and treat chronic homeless or erratically mentally ill or nuisance drug addicted (lying in streets), or send them back whence they came to a community equipped to better deal with them What a tragic waste of life and we will hear peep from our public officials, and lots of shrugging from the hipsters who accuse anyone wanting some remedy of "pear clutching" and telling them it's life in the big city and to move to the suburbs yadda yadda. It's all so repetitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Odd that so many are looking at this _solely_ through the prism of gender -- men attacking women -- when it might have been a racial hate crime (if the "colors" were reversed, that's the way WaPo would frame it), or just an example of the random risks of trying to go about your life in a culture where feral, drugged-out predators are allowed to prowl the streets unmolested.

I agree with this. The homeless in DC (and many other American cities) have been allowed to take over and do whatever they want, set up makeshift encampments on public sidewalks, rant and rave, punch the air, scream expletives with children around, whatever, while the rest of us scurry along and hope they don’t decide to harm us. It is unacceptable that the rights of the drugged out and mentally ill trump all others. When will we learn?

I was walking with my daughter by CVS in Tenleytown and a homeless person was raving curse words and threatening phrases. Alarmed, I flagged down a police officer in a passing cruiser and asked him to intervene. He scolded me for flagging him down, and informed me about freedom of speech. Reluctantly, he called some sort of paddy wagon. Police don't want tot ouch this with a ten foot stick, and IMO it's because they feel hung out to dry. Someone will video them doing a wellness check and complain about infringement of rights, and they don't want to be social workers nor are jails the proper place for these people. Our politicians need to address this. DC currently offers fairly moderate weather, many day shelters, lots of dummies who hand out money on the street will nilly, a Mayor who has offered year round right to shelter, and is the home to the federal government which is a MAGNET for the mentally ill. We also need to lock up and treat chronic homeless or erratically mentally ill or nuisance drug addicted (lying in streets), or send them back whence they came to a community equipped to better deal with them What a tragic waste of life and we will hear peep from our public officials, and lots of shrugging from the hipsters who accuse anyone wanting some remedy of "pear clutching" and telling them it's life in the big city and to move to the suburbs yadda yadda. It's all so repetitive.

We need to reinstate paddy wagons and public psychiatric facilities. I’m tired of feeling like I should be the one avoiding an altercation or being accosted just for walking by.

[Anonymous]

Exactly. And IMO we also need widescale cctv. Is there any mechanism to petition to our local officials, or should we bring a petition straight to congress to bring back involuntary commitment? They have actively intervened in DC in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. And IMO we also need widescale cctv. Is there any mechanism to petition to our local officials, or should we bring a petition straight to congress to bring back involuntary commitment? They have actively intervened in DC in the past.

Do any American cities have widescale CCTV? I would be all for it but it seems to mostly a British/European thing. We’d have to have massive advocacy and get the city leadership to do ‘exchanges’ with relevant police, transportation, and mayoral leadership to get it done.

I’m all for it but it’s be helpful if there was another US city with that sort of bandwidth already in play. As recently as 4-5 years ago I remember the District was encouraging residents to buy personal cameras and reimbursing them for the expense which is a really hackney approach to it in IMO.

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I also think there’s a big difference between relying on private camera footage from businesses (ATM or McDonalds for instance) and a citywide network run by the police. https://ipvm.com/reports/america-cctv-recording

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Anonymous wrote:DC thugs have something against white women and little black girls... that yoga instructor was murdered back on Christmas day 2016 and the little girl was shot and killed recently AND now this !!!

No, actually, the rate of violence against black women in DC is higher than white women.

By complete and utter strangers? What’s the stat on that?

I don’t know statistically but I’m white and I know significantly more black women who were killed by a stranger in DC than white women.

I know of significantly more black women who were killed in sketchy areas. This is unique because of the location. White people are supposed to be safe in Logan’s circle. That’s got everyone freaked out.

Oh, did you do a full study of murders of black women? what's your point?

My point should have been obvious. It’s not about race, it’s about location. It’s not scary that a white woman was killed. It’s scary that a white woman was killed in a “safe” area.

I’m confused. Are white woman some sort of special class? Because you are really harping on it being a white woman in a “safe area.”

Yes you are confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think of the hundreds of thousands of women in this city who go about their normal business every day and who are not crime victims. What happened to Wendy Martinez is horrible but it's not going to make me live in fear. It was a freak thing. There are no mobs of deranged knife wielding homeless men out to get us, no matter what someone in Ashburn tells us.

Maybe not mobs but there are lots of weirdos out there ready to attack you at any hour.