Thoreau AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over a decade ago it list its title 1 status.

The tiniest TH in 22181 that feeds to MW sells for 500. Hardly low income. SFHs are 600 to over a million. Hardly low income.

As comparison, Vienna Woods was once “poor” but not these days. Vienna area is not low income. No where in 22181 or 22180 is there low income unless in subsidized housing.

And even then it’s very limited.

But, yes, go back more than a decade to find the numbers you “need” to make your point. SMH and laughing.

I think you are confused a bit. MW itself is in 22031, FAIRFAX.... and draws kids from 22031 around the school. You can blather all you want about how MW is high income. It's not. Doesn't matter how many time you cast it that way. Yes, there is a mix. No one said that the majority of MW was low income. But, there is, in fact, whether you admit it or not, a substantial portion of the school on free meals and for whom English is a second language.

While the profile shows 25% FARMS and 20% ESOL, when you take away the AAP kids who are going to Lanier, Frost, and Rocky Run, you'll see find that the true FARMS and ESOL rate is higher than 25% and 20% respectively. And the rest of the school is not "wealthy" as in 5000 square ft. homes. There are a lot of 2 level TH families, and some SFH families. It is a school that definitely is aware that not all of the students have $$ for extras. (All of this is a good thing! But, I just point it out to counter the claims that the rezoned kids are all Richy-Rich kids.)

[Anonymous]

They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

But by then the Complainer’s property value will likely have tanked. She doesn’t wanna wait! It’s a catastrophe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

But by then the Complainer’s property value will likely have tanked. She doesn’t wanna wait! It’s a catastrophe.

No doubt it was a bad decision. Monitoring the trends would help confirm it and perhaps create some accountability for School Board members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over a decade ago it list its title 1 status.

The tiniest TH in 22181 that feeds to MW sells for 500. Hardly low income. SFHs are 600 to over a million. Hardly low income.

As comparison, Vienna Woods was once “poor” but not these days. Vienna area is not low income. No where in 22181 or 22180 is there low income unless in subsidized housing.

And even then it’s very limited.

But, yes, go back more than a decade to find the numbers you “need” to make your point. SMH and laughing.

I think you are confused a bit. MW itself is in 22031, FAIRFAX.... and draws kids from 22031 around the school. You can blather all you want about how MW is high income. It's not. Doesn't matter how many time you cast it that way. Yes, there is a mix. No one said that the majority of MW was low income. But, there is, in fact, whether you admit it or not, a substantial portion of the school on free meals and for whom English is a second language.

While the profile shows 25% FARMS and 20% ESOL, when you take away the AAP kids who are going to Lanier, Frost, and Rocky Run, you'll see find that the true FARMS and ESOL rate is higher than 25% and 20% respectively. And the rest of the school is not "wealthy" as in 5000 square ft. homes. There are a lot of 2 level TH families, and some SFH families. It is a school that definitely is aware that not all of the students have $$ for extras. (All of this is a good thing! But, I just point it out to counter the claims that the rezoned kids are all Richy-Rich kids.)

You are confused with FACTS! More than 50% of MWES bade school is from 22181! I know because my family goes there! But you live in FCHS pyramid and have NO clue what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over a decade ago it list its title 1 status.

The tiniest TH in 22181 that feeds to MW sells for 500. Hardly low income. SFHs are 600 to over a million. Hardly low income.

As comparison, Vienna Woods was once “poor” but not these days. Vienna area is not low income. No where in 22181 or 22180 is there low income unless in subsidized housing.

And even then it’s very limited.

But, yes, go back more than a decade to find the numbers you “need” to make your point. SMH and laughing.

I think you are confused a bit. MW itself is in 22031, FAIRFAX.... and draws kids from 22031 around the school. You can blather all you want about how MW is high income. It's not. Doesn't matter how many time you cast it that way. Yes, there is a mix. No one said that the majority of MW was low income. But, there is, in fact, whether you admit it or not, a substantial portion of the school on free meals and for whom English is a second language.

While the profile shows 25% FARMS and 20% ESOL, when you take away the AAP kids who are going to Lanier, Frost, and Rocky Run, you'll see find that the true FARMS and ESOL rate is higher than 25% and 20% respectively. And the rest of the school is not "wealthy" as in 5000 square ft. homes. There are a lot of 2 level TH families, and some SFH families. It is a school that definitely is aware that not all of the students have $$ for extras. (All of this is a good thing! But, I just point it out to counter the claims that the rezoned kids are all Richy-Rich kids.)

You are confused with FACTS! More than 50% of MWES bade school is from 22181! I know because my family goes there! But you live in FCHS pyramid and have NO clue what you are talking about.

no. my kid is at MW and yes, I live in 22181. I think you have trouble with "the FACTS!" I suggest you calm down a bit and use google maps. It is a fact that MW is in 22031... and draws kids from the areas right next to it which are also in 22031. It also draws some kids from the other zip codes mentioned. Read a little more carefully... I never excluded 22181 from MW's zone. I simply made the factual statement that MW is in 22031 and draws many kids from the areas next to the school, that are also 22031... which is in fact, Fairfax, not Vienna or Oakton (based on what the USPS calls 22031). You are kind of funny with your use of exclamation points ("I know because my family goes there!" )

[Anonymous]

And do you know that more than 1/2 the MWES base kids are Vienna kids - not Fairfax kids. Cheapest TH in 22181 is 500. And yes, I know that Fairfax is more affordable than Vienna. But MW is a Fairfax school that pulls majority from Vienna. Perhaps it’s time to move the Vienna kids to Vienna and Or Oakton schools that are actually closer than MW. Or would that also negatively affect you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

But by then the Complainer’s property value will likely have tanked. She doesn’t wanna wait! It’s a catastrophe.

No doubt it was a bad decision. Monitoring the trends would help confirm it and perhaps create some accountability for School Board members.

Oh hi, Complainer. How are you today? Still angry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

But by then the Complainer’s property value will likely have tanked. She doesn’t wanna wait! It’s a catastrophe.

No doubt it was a bad decision. Monitoring the trends would help confirm it and perhaps create some accountability for School Board members.

Oh hi, Complainer. How are you today? Still angry?

You sound like a jerk. PPs have raised some valid points as to whether this was a sound decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

But by then the Complainer’s property value will likely have tanked. She doesn’t wanna wait! It’s a catastrophe.

No doubt it was a bad decision. Monitoring the trends would help confirm it and perhaps create some accountability for School Board members.

Oh hi, Complainer. How are you today? Still angry?

You sound like a jerk. PPs have raised some valid points as to whether this was a sound decision.

Real PPs or you posing as multiple PPs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to monitor what happens to the demographics at Jackson and Falls Church over the next five years to properly assess the impact of this boundary change. That is more important than whether Mosby Woods ES is less wealthy than Oakton ES.

But by then the Complainer’s property value will likely have tanked. She doesn’t wanna wait! It’s a catastrophe.

No doubt it was a bad decision. Monitoring the trends would help confirm it and perhaps create some accountability for School Board members.

Oh hi, Complainer. How are you today? Still angry?

You sound like a jerk. PPs have raised some valid points as to whether this was a sound decision.

Real PPs or you posing as multiple PPs?

Definitely multiple. It is a diff version of the rip van winkle one. You’ve stayed your point over and over. Let it go on these threads.

[Anonymous]

Food for thought: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/upshot/why-talented-black-and-hispanic-students-can-go-undiscovered.html

The policies in FCPS are regressive, as illustrated by the Jackson/Thoreau decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Food for thought: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/upshot/why-talented-black-and-hispanic-students-can-go-undiscovered.html

The policies in FCPS are regressive, as illustrated by the Jackson/Thoreau decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Food for thought: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/upshot/why-talented-black-and-hispanic-students-can-go-undiscovered.html

The policies in FCPS are regressive, as illustrated by the Jackson/Thoreau decision.

The NNAT is the equivalent of the testing previously done in broward county. So FCPS is quite progressive in that way. Article does not imply, suggest, note that rezoning kids from a different community to another school is detrimental.

I imagine lower income kids score lower because of their family influences. That is an issue that no amount of busing or gerrymandering can fix. That’s more of a family or cultural issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And do you know that more than 1/2 the MWES base kids are Vienna kids - not Fairfax kids. Cheapest TH in 22181 is 500. And yes, I know that Fairfax is more affordable than Vienna. But MW is a Fairfax school that pulls majority from Vienna. Perhaps it’s time to move the Vienna kids to Vienna and Or Oakton schools that are actually closer than MW. Or would that also negatively affect you?

Would be happy to go to a Vienna or Oakton school. But you're getting off point. The point is that this rezoning decision wasn't based on rich families complaining about being in LJ (although I'm not going to deny that some/many(?) probably didn't want to be there). This decision was made by the facilities people b/c the rezoned schools make up the Oakton block within the current LJMS, the block was the right size that they were looking to move, two of the three schools were already split to Thoreau (OES and MRES), and geographically they were the western fringe of the Jackson zone. None of those things have to do with class/wealth. And in fact, MWES is not a "wealthy school."

I'm not sure that you (PP who live in MW zone) and I are on opposite sides of this equation unless you think that the "wealthy" parents of MWES (??) pushed their weight around to get rezoned. My experience with MWES parents is that many wanted to stay with what they knew, many AAP parents are sticking with LJ b/c they think it is better and they have a history with it, and many of the non-AAP parents never thought about TMS before this came up b/c they were happy with LJ. There was virtually no discussion or interest in the topic at PTA meetings or other events. People seemed unaware of it. Contrast that with the parents at OES -- at the June meeting, they were ALL OVER IT and wanted it done ASAP. It was very much on their minds b/c year after year, half of the 6th graders would go to TMS and half would go to LJ. I don't think this rezoning decision was based on wealthy families getting their way. But, the wealthier families, for the most part, are fine leaving LJ for TMS. That doesn't mean they had undue influence on the decision.