Thoreau AAP

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with 16:34.

the Falls Church middle school (LJ) now reflects the Falls Church High school more than it did previously. The middle school still is getting the benefit of the AAP center (attracting some number of high-performing kids who are not part of the Falls Church pyramid). So, the middle school is not an exact parallel to the high school, but it is closer.

Applying that same analysis to TMS -- TMS is less a mirror of Madison now b/c it has a greater proportion of non-Madison students. BUT... the Madison and Oakton pyramids are pretty similar, and there isn't a single feeder for Oakton HS. So, for better or for worse, both middle schools now more closely reflect the SES/achievement of the high schools they feed. I'm not saying the school board made their decision based on this in any way. Just saying that like is with like. (and some people don't like it!)

You get what you pay for.

More nonsense. There was no Oakton middle school, no Falls Church middle school, and no Madison middle school. In terms of base boundaries, Oakton got kids from three middle schools, and Falls Church and Madison each from two. That is still the case, except some Oakton kids will now come from Thoreau rather than Jackson, turning Thoreau into an overcrowded three-way split feeder in the process. It is hilarious to see parents whose kids were rezoned speak so approvingly about this, as if it were some natural form of socio-economic cleansing.

If FCPS really wanted to align middle and high school boundaries they could have just changed Madison’s boundaries to reflect Thoreau’s and made Thoreau an AAP center like Cooper and Lanier. Instead they’ve likely created a mess at Thoreau, based in large part on the patently false assumption that all or most of the AAP families will send their kids to Jackson.

All assumptions or false info and you've no idea if these are reZoned families or not.

You mean, apart from the fact that many of them have identified themselves as such?

The vast majority of the Madison kids come from Thoreau, and Madison is projected to be so overcrowded that FCPS now wants to build an addition there. But somehow FCPS has convinced itself it can turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Madison, Marshall and Oakton, and that all the AAP kids will go to Jackson, but that it won't soon have an overcrowded middle school on its hands.

You seem relentless in your misery. Just give it up. Yes. You’re mad, angry, upset. We get it. But you live where you live. You chose the pyramid. Make it a better pyramid! You don’t need kids from other communities to make it better. Or do you?

One could just as easily say that the MWES/OES/MRES families chose the Oakton district, so they shouldn't be allowed to attend a Madison pyramid middle school.

At the end of the day, Jackson has been a middle school that served both Falls Church and Oakton for many years, and FCPS is weakening the school through its ill-considered actions that will further elevate the interests of wealthier AAP students from Oakton and Vienna over lower-income GenEd children from the Falls Church area.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with 16:34.

the Falls Church middle school (LJ) now reflects the Falls Church High school more than it did previously. The middle school still is getting the benefit of the AAP center (attracting some number of high-performing kids who are not part of the Falls Church pyramid). So, the middle school is not an exact parallel to the high school, but it is closer.

Applying that same analysis to TMS -- TMS is less a mirror of Madison now b/c it has a greater proportion of non-Madison students. BUT... the Madison and Oakton pyramids are pretty similar, and there isn't a single feeder for Oakton HS. So, for better or for worse, both middle schools now more closely reflect the SES/achievement of the high schools they feed. I'm not saying the school board made their decision based on this in any way. Just saying that like is with like. (and some people don't like it!)

You get what you pay for.

More nonsense. There was no Oakton middle school, no Falls Church middle school, and no Madison middle school. In terms of base boundaries, Oakton got kids from three middle schools, and Falls Church and Madison each from two. That is still the case, except some Oakton kids will now come from Thoreau rather than Jackson, turning Thoreau into an overcrowded three-way split feeder in the process. It is hilarious to see parents whose kids were rezoned speak so approvingly about this, as if it were some natural form of socio-economic cleansing.

If FCPS really wanted to align middle and high school boundaries they could have just changed Madison’s boundaries to reflect Thoreau’s and made Thoreau an AAP center like Cooper and Lanier. Instead they’ve likely created a mess at Thoreau, based in large part on the patently false assumption that all or most of the AAP families will send their kids to Jackson.

All assumptions or false info and you've no idea if these are reZoned families or not.

You mean, apart from the fact that many of them have identified themselves as such?

The vast majority of the Madison kids come from Thoreau, and Madison is projected to be so overcrowded that FCPS now wants to build an addition there. But somehow FCPS has convinced itself it can turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Madison, Marshall and Oakton, and that all the AAP kids will go to Jackson, but that it won't soon have an overcrowded middle school on its hands.

You seem relentless in your misery. Just give it up. Yes. You’re mad, angry, upset. We get it. But you live where you live. You chose the pyramid. Make it a better pyramid! You don’t need kids from other communities to make it better. Or do you?

One could just as easily say that the MWES/OES/MRES families chose the Oakton district, so they shouldn't be allowed to attend a Madison pyramid middle school.

At the end of the day, Jackson has been a middle school that served both Falls Church and Oakton for many years, and FCPS is weakening the school through its ill-considered actions that will further elevate the interests of wealthier AAP students from Oakton and Vienna over lower-income GenEd children from the Falls Church area.

Then send us to RCMS or FFMS, but why does a FCHS pyramid school *need* Oakton pyramid kids. Apparently, YOU need those kids more than anyone else!

[Anonymous]

You do realize that not all the kids who were rezoned are "wealthy," right?

Mosby Woods and Marshall Road have a sizable portion of kids getting free meals. Mosby -- the base school -- the part that is now going to TMS, has a lot of ESOL/FARMS kids. About 100 kids from Mosby get a bag of free food to take home every week. It's not a lot of food each week, but these are the people who signed up to have their kids take groceries home from school. There are more who didn't sign up, but still get free or reduced priced meals... like several hundred more.

I understand that the base school part of Jackson has a block of needy kids too. But, please stop painting this rezoning as "wealthy people get what they want." Have you ever been to Mosby Woods? It's not a "wealthy" school. It's middle and poor. It's a good school. But, it is not some snobby private school. And Mosby IS the bulk of the kids being rezoned.

I'm sorry you have fewer middle class kids going to Jackson. But, it's not always about class wars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with 16:34.

the Falls Church middle school (LJ) now reflects the Falls Church High school more than it did previously. The middle school still is getting the benefit of the AAP center (attracting some number of high-performing kids who are not part of the Falls Church pyramid). So, the middle school is not an exact parallel to the high school, but it is closer.

Applying that same analysis to TMS -- TMS is less a mirror of Madison now b/c it has a greater proportion of non-Madison students. BUT... the Madison and Oakton pyramids are pretty similar, and there isn't a single feeder for Oakton HS. So, for better or for worse, both middle schools now more closely reflect the SES/achievement of the high schools they feed. I'm not saying the school board made their decision based on this in any way. Just saying that like is with like. (and some people don't like it!)

You get what you pay for.

More nonsense. There was no Oakton middle school, no Falls Church middle school, and no Madison middle school. In terms of base boundaries, Oakton got kids from three middle schools, and Falls Church and Madison each from two. That is still the case, except some Oakton kids will now come from Thoreau rather than Jackson, turning Thoreau into an overcrowded three-way split feeder in the process. It is hilarious to see parents whose kids were rezoned speak so approvingly about this, as if it were some natural form of socio-economic cleansing.

If FCPS really wanted to align middle and high school boundaries they could have just changed Madison’s boundaries to reflect Thoreau’s and made Thoreau an AAP center like Cooper and Lanier. Instead they’ve likely created a mess at Thoreau, based in large part on the patently false assumption that all or most of the AAP families will send their kids to Jackson.

All assumptions or false info and you've no idea if these are reZoned families or not.

You mean, apart from the fact that many of them have identified themselves as such?

The vast majority of the Madison kids come from Thoreau, and Madison is projected to be so overcrowded that FCPS now wants to build an addition there. But somehow FCPS has convinced itself it can turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Madison, Marshall and Oakton, and that all the AAP kids will go to Jackson, but that it won't soon have an overcrowded middle school on its hands.

Wong. Not many of them! You sound miserable as many has been pointed out to you. Just, overall miserable.

[Anonymous]

, 100 kids out of a school with 1000, or 10%. True. Others live in very nice Hines, own 2nd hones, etc, it’s truly a mixed school. Diversity on all levels - across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with 16:34.

the Falls Church middle school (LJ) now reflects the Falls Church High school more than it did previously. The middle school still is getting the benefit of the AAP center (attracting some number of high-performing kids who are not part of the Falls Church pyramid). So, the middle school is not an exact parallel to the high school, but it is closer.

Applying that same analysis to TMS -- TMS is less a mirror of Madison now b/c it has a greater proportion of non-Madison students. BUT... the Madison and Oakton pyramids are pretty similar, and there isn't a single feeder for Oakton HS. So, for better or for worse, both middle schools now more closely reflect the SES/achievement of the high schools they feed. I'm not saying the school board made their decision based on this in any way. Just saying that like is with like. (and some people don't like it!)

You get what you pay for.

More nonsense. There was no Oakton middle school, no Falls Church middle school, and no Madison middle school. In terms of base boundaries, Oakton got kids from three middle schools, and Falls Church and Madison each from two. That is still the case, except some Oakton kids will now come from Thoreau rather than Jackson, turning Thoreau into an overcrowded three-way split feeder in the process. It is hilarious to see parents whose kids were rezoned speak so approvingly about this, as if it were some natural form of socio-economic cleansing.

If FCPS really wanted to align middle and high school boundaries they could have just changed Madison’s boundaries to reflect Thoreau’s and made Thoreau an AAP center like Cooper and Lanier. Instead they’ve likely created a mess at Thoreau, based in large part on the patently false assumption that all or most of the AAP families will send their kids to Jackson.

All assumptions or false info and you've no idea if these are reZoned families or not.

You mean, apart from the fact that many of them have identified themselves as such?

The vast majority of the Madison kids come from Thoreau, and Madison is projected to be so overcrowded that FCPS now wants to build an addition there. But somehow FCPS has convinced itself it can turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Madison, Marshall and Oakton, and that all the AAP kids will go to Jackson, but that it won't soon have an overcrowded middle school on its hands.

Wong. Not many of them! You sound miserable as many has been pointed out to you. Just, overall miserable.

Quite a few, bozo. Perhaps you need to read more carefully before you hit the "Submit" button over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:, 100 kids out of a school with 1000, or 10%. True. Others live in very nice Hines, own 2nd hones, etc, it’s truly a mixed school. Diversity on all levels - across the board.

Correct, and being rezoned out of a school that has other feeders with FARMS rates that, in at least one case, exceeds 80%. It's ridiculous to think removing MWES, along with MRES and OES, from Jackson will not further concentrate poverty at LJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with 16:34.

the Falls Church middle school (LJ) now reflects the Falls Church High school more than it did previously. The middle school still is getting the benefit of the AAP center (attracting some number of high-performing kids who are not part of the Falls Church pyramid). So, the middle school is not an exact parallel to the high school, but it is closer.

Applying that same analysis to TMS -- TMS is less a mirror of Madison now b/c it has a greater proportion of non-Madison students. BUT... the Madison and Oakton pyramids are pretty similar, and there isn't a single feeder for Oakton HS. So, for better or for worse, both middle schools now more closely reflect the SES/achievement of the high schools they feed. I'm not saying the school board made their decision based on this in any way. Just saying that like is with like. (and some people don't like it!)

You get what you pay for.

More nonsense. There was no Oakton middle school, no Falls Church middle school, and no Madison middle school. In terms of base boundaries, Oakton got kids from three middle schools, and Falls Church and Madison each from two. That is still the case, except some Oakton kids will now come from Thoreau rather than Jackson, turning Thoreau into an overcrowded three-way split feeder in the process. It is hilarious to see parents whose kids were rezoned speak so approvingly about this, as if it were some natural form of socio-economic cleansing.

If FCPS really wanted to align middle and high school boundaries they could have just changed Madison’s boundaries to reflect Thoreau’s and made Thoreau an AAP center like Cooper and Lanier. Instead they’ve likely created a mess at Thoreau, based in large part on the patently false assumption that all or most of the AAP families will send their kids to Jackson.

All assumptions or false info and you've no idea if these are reZoned families or not.

You mean, apart from the fact that many of them have identified themselves as such?

The vast majority of the Madison kids come from Thoreau, and Madison is projected to be so overcrowded that FCPS now wants to build an addition there. But somehow FCPS has convinced itself it can turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Madison, Marshall and Oakton, and that all the AAP kids will go to Jackson, but that it won't soon have an overcrowded middle school on its hands.

Wong. Not many of them! You sound miserable as many has been pointed out to you. Just, overall miserable.

Quite a few, bozo. Perhaps you need to read more carefully before you hit the "Submit" button over and over again.

You’re sweet. I’d worry more about being manners-poor than being on a “poverty stricken” neighborhood now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:, 100 kids out of a school with 1000, or 10%. True. Others live in very nice Hines, own 2nd hones, etc, it’s truly a mixed school. Diversity on all levels - across the board.

Correct, and being rezoned out of a school that has other feeders with FARMS rates that, in at least one case, exceeds 80%. It's ridiculous to think removing MWES, along with MRES and OES, from Jackson will not further concentrate poverty at LJ.

But FCHS is a high poverty rate HS. Changing LJ to more appropriately reflect FCHS is not a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:, 100 kids out of a school with 1000, or 10%. True. Others live in very nice Hines, own 2nd hones, etc, it’s truly a mixed school. Diversity on all levels - across the board.

Correct, and being rezoned out of a school that has other feeders with FARMS rates that, in at least one case, exceeds 80%. It's ridiculous to think removing MWES, along with MRES and OES, from Jackson will not further concentrate poverty at LJ.

But FCHS is a high poverty rate HS. Changing LJ to more appropriately reflect FCHS is not a bad thing.

It's the exact opposite of what One Fairfax is about. Trying to make all of Fairfax County be a prosperous area with less poverty. Are you pro poverty for certain areas of the county? I really don't understand your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:, 100 kids out of a school with 1000, or 10%. True. Others live in very nice Hines, own 2nd hones, etc, it’s truly a mixed school. Diversity on all levels - across the board.

Correct, and being rezoned out of a school that has other feeders with FARMS rates that, in at least one case, exceeds 80%. It's ridiculous to think removing MWES, along with MRES and OES, from Jackson will not further concentrate poverty at LJ.

But FCHS is a high poverty rate HS. Changing LJ to more appropriately reflect FCHS is not a bad thing.

I'm sorry your reading comprehension is so poor. Perhaps you can work on that. I said 100 kids get a bag of groceries each week.... and there are several hundred more who also get free or reduced meals. That 1000 kids you mentioned -- yes, that is the population at Mosby, but a majority of the AAP center are kids from other zones. The AAP kids have lower rates of using free meals. That means the base school has higher rates than what is shown in the demographics (of the school profile). Mosby is not a "rich" school. It is a fine place for a kid to go both for academics and for diversity. But, it is not some lily white bastion of wealth. Not in any way. Mosby IS the largest part of the rezoned group. Why don't you stop by the school at dismissal some time? This school has lots of ESOL and needy kids. Not the majority. But still, a very substantial part. I am certain they were not begging to go to TMS. I was at both meetings (at MWES and at OES). The Mosby parents were not badgering anyone to go to TMS. Not that they had anything against it. But, it is just part of their "normal". They don't think of it as a negative, as you and other allege over and over.

[Anonymous]

I’m a MW parent. Live in HHI neighborhood. I’m glad we’re at TMS. I feel my kids are finally going to be with others in their community. MW has 1 low income area - most kids are not low income.

[Anonymous]

Prior to the AAP Center opening, Mosby Woods was a Title I school.

[Anonymous]

Over a decade ago it list its title 1 status.

The tiniest TH in 22181 that feeds to MW sells for 500. Hardly low income. SFHs are 600 to over a million. Hardly low income.

As comparison, Vienna Woods was once “poor” but not these days. Vienna area is not low income. No where in 22181 or 22180 is there low income unless in subsidized housing.

And even then it’s very limited.

But, yes, go back more than a decade to find the numbers you “need” to make your point. SMH and laughing.