Thoreau AAP

[Anonymous]

Should have said stronger rather than different program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason FCPS doesn't publish AAP numbers at TMS is that TMS does not have an AAP program that is recognized by FCPS (TMS isn't mentioned on the FCPS AAP website). TMS does have a fair number of AAP-eligible students that enroll in honors classes, but for TMS-zoned students that want to continue with an AAP-level experience in middle school (where core classes are taught at the AAP level and labeled as AAP, as opposed to honors), LJMS remains an outstanding option that prepares students well for the rigors of high school.

See, the thing is -- no one from TMS is ever saying that LJMS doesn't provide a good educational experience for the AAP set. No one. Ever. It's only the LJMS-nervous parents like you who insist on denigrating TMS in order to keep the AAP kids coming to LJMS to prop up the test scores that otherwise (outside of AAP) doesn't look so good.

And you can keep saying "there is no AAP outside of the centers" -- but that doesn't make it so. The fact that FCPS doesn't separate those numbers out for the non-center programs doesn't mean they don't exist. What say you about Franklin and Irving???

Why don't you give it a rest -- you already tried this line of attack a few pages back.

Thoreau does have separate classes for AAP kids, so really they and other schools should be listing their AAP students differently than general ed just like the centers do. They do this for LLIV students in elementary, so why not in middle?

But they can’t, because that would increase the litigation risk. It’s an obvious equal protection violation to give some students two, similar AAP options while denying similar choices to Gen Ed students. It mitigates the risk somewhat to hide the fact that Thoreau now offers the same AAP courses as Jackson, with classes restricted to AAP-eligible students.

not you again!

Good lord. There is no "litigation risk." You are an "intelligence risk." According to you, FCPS is mitigating the risk of being sued by hiding its middle school AAP options at non-center schools, but it is putting itself fully "at risk" for "equal protection violations" at the elementary school level by allowing kids who come from LL4 schools to choose AAP centers instead. Got it.

You are so used to getting what you want that you don’t even know how blind you are to the legal risks FCPS is now assuming.

FCPS doesn’t have to offer the same program to every student, but giving AAP students access to multiple schools offering the same AAP courses in classes restricted to AAP-eligible students, when other students are not afforded similar Gen Ed options, is an obvious equal protection violation.

Back in the 50s, idiots like you were fine with segregated schools as well. It took litigation then to effect change, just like it will probably take lawsuits in the future to get FCPS to clean up its act.

[Anonymous]

Well, sue FCPS if you are so sure of yourself. I'd love to see how that works out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, sue FCPS if you are so sure of yourself. I'd love to see how that works out.

Don’t feed the crazies. They bite. (She is always on her soapbox about this nonsense).

[Anonymous]

I don't have numbers for enrollment, but I was looking at the dashboard and noticed that as of May 2018, LJMS was "open" to transfer (36) and TMS was closed (-22). Not sure what that means exactly, but it may indicate that LJMS is now right-sized rather than over crowded.

I also noticed that Rocky Run (as of last year) had nearly 800 AAP kids out of 1300! That is insane. We had a contract on a house in that zone and really wanted it. The contract fell through and we ended up elsewhere. But, dang! That is NOT o.k. for IN ZONE non-AAP kids to be overwhelmed in their own school. For the sake of my non-AAP kid, I guess there was some divine intervention in losing out on that house. It also explains a lot of what we saw at the curriculum night --> complete madness and near-trampling in the halls and then almost nobody in the non-AAP discussion session. When we were released, we noticed that the AAP discussion group was still going on. We peeked into the gymnasium and realized that THAT'S where everyone went!

The same thing is happneing at Carson.

Then you have schools like South County that have 80 kids in an AAP grade. It seems like the school board should strive to have more even (not necessarily "equal") programs in different schools.

Stone Middle school has less than 800 kids total! Surely they could balance out the middle school programs such that schools like Liberty or Stone take some kids and reduce the monster that has overtaken Rocky Run and Carson.

I have one who was not in AAP and one who is. Both kids deserve to have a program that is not dominated by one or the other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, sue FCPS if you are so sure of yourself. I'd love to see how that works out.

Don’t feed the crazies. They bite. (She is always on her soapbox about this nonsense).

The crazies are the crazy-ass racists in Vienna/Oakton celebrating the resegregation of LJS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, sue FCPS if you are so sure of yourself. I'd love to see how that works out.

Don’t feed the crazies. They bite. (She is always on her soapbox about this nonsense).

The crazies are the crazy-ass racists in Vienna/Oakton celebrating the resegregation of LJS.

Wow. So people who are part of a school (a well-performing school) that is receiving kids from LJMS -- kids who are more diverse than TMS was -- are now "racists" for......??? Got it. Welcoming additional ESOL, FARMS, Latino and Black students (among others) at TMS makes TMS families "racist." Right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have numbers for enrollment, but I was looking at the dashboard and noticed that as of May 2018, LJMS was "open" to transfer (36) and TMS was closed (-22). Not sure what that means exactly, but it may indicate that LJMS is now right-sized rather than over crowded.

I also noticed that Rocky Run (as of last year) had nearly 800 AAP kids out of 1300! That is insane. We had a contract on a house in that zone and really wanted it. The contract fell through and we ended up elsewhere. But, dang! That is NOT o.k. for IN ZONE non-AAP kids to be overwhelmed in their own school. For the sake of my non-AAP kid, I guess there was some divine intervention in losing out on that house. It also explains a lot of what we saw at the curriculum night --> complete madness and near-trampling in the halls and then almost nobody in the non-AAP discussion session. When we were released, we noticed that the AAP discussion group was still going on. We peeked into the gymnasium and realized that THAT'S where everyone went!

The same thing is happneing at Carson.

Then you have schools like South County that have 80 kids in an AAP grade. It seems like the school board should strive to have more even (not necessarily "equal") programs in different schools.

Stone Middle school has less than 800 kids total! Surely they could balance out the middle school programs such that schools like Liberty or Stone take some kids and reduce the monster that has overtaken Rocky Run and Carson.

I have one who was not in AAP and one who is. Both kids deserve to have a program that is not dominated by one or the other.

It wouldn't make sense for any Carson students to go to Liberty or Stone. The Franklin-based students should just go back to Franklin. That's what would make the most sense, especially since Franklin has AAP teachers already.

[Anonymous]

Fair enough. It just seems that we have capacity in some schools and we have grotesquely out-sized AAP programs in others. Balance it a little more.