DC parents leave kids in car for wine tasting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who the hell drives 4 blocks to go to a wine tasting?

I cannot fathom even thinking of doing this. Those poor children. Imagine how scared they must have been. My toddler won't let me out of her sight.

The only thing I can think of is that in their (totally, totally screwed up) minds, they somehow thought it was better/safer for the kids to be unattended in the car in front of (?) the restaurant than in their home. I do not get it (any of it), but that's all I can come up with.

[Anonymous]

What about the homeless single mom in Arizona who left her kids in the car last year? The woman with the tear-stained face in her mugshot. At least she was at a job interview. These two should be punished more than her for abandoning young kids for a recreational activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the hell drives 4 blocks to go to a wine tasting?

I cannot fathom even thinking of doing this. Those poor children. Imagine how scared they must have been. My toddler won't let me out of her sight.

The only thing I can think of is that in their (totally, totally screwed up) minds, they somehow thought it was better/safer for the kids to be unattended in the car in front of (?) the restaurant than in their home. I do not get it (any of it), but that's all I can come up with.

They couldn't leave one patent at home either the kids? Or switch off after an hour?

[Anonymous]

Not sure anyone here is excusing the parents' decision, only that the actual harm to the kids was likely minimal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess they're not going to be able to host drop off play dates or parties later. Nobody will want to send their kids over to their place.

Why not? As long as they have street parking and a third row and enough car seats, there should be room in their car for at least 2-4 more kids? And it won't warm up for at least another 6 weeks according to Punxatawney Phil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the hell drives 4 blocks to go to a wine tasting?

I cannot fathom even thinking of doing this. Those poor children. Imagine how scared they must have been. My toddler won't let me out of her sight.

The only thing I can think of is that in their (totally, totally screwed up) minds, they somehow thought it was better/safer for the kids to be unattended in the car in front of (?) the restaurant than in their home. I do not get it (any of it), but that's all I can come up with.

They couldn't leave one patent at home either the kids? Or switch off after an hour?

Of course they could have, and should have. What they did is totally effed up. The above is just the only explanation I can come up with for why the kids were left in the (freezing cold, UGH) car when the restaurant was 4 blocks from their home. Disordered, nonsensical and totally wrong; just trying to think of how they came to this incredibly poor decision.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. The parents seem like outstanding, highly educated professionals. There must be a simple explanation. Maybe they expected to take their kids into the wine tasting and were told they couldnt. So what do do? Maybe one parent checked on them every few minutes and kids were probably asleep.

I truly, truly hope you do not have children. Your level of naivete and ignorance is scary. You have no basis for assumign they are outstanding parents. Perhaps highly educated professionals, but other than one comment from a neighbor that they seemed like wonderful parents, what do you based this assumption on? That they were white and rich? First, outstanding parents do not take two 2-year old children to a wine tasting at an upscale restaurant which will probably last 2.5-3 hours. Second, if they somehow had an emergency and they had to, once told they couldn't being them in, they should have made alternate plans that did not leave them unattended in a below freezing car for said 2.5-3 hours.

Are you one of those people who deny climate change because the science doesn't add up to you? Even a car with the inside at about 65-70 F will cool down rather rapidly in 28 F external temperature. Within a half hour, the car interior is likely to be below 40 F. While it doesn't seem cold to you standing around or walking around or bouncing around in the air because heat transfers through air/gas the slowest. Heat will transfer through solids medium and liquids the fastest. Unlike you standing around in the cold, these children were strapped into car seats, so that their body heat would leave faster than if they were standing in the air. Likewise, whether they had coats on or not, the body heat would travel through their pants into the materials of the car seat faster than through the air. If you are sitting on a car seat in an unheated car, your heat will escape through your legs and gluteus maximum into the car seat fastest. Same with the kids. Additionally, if they had no hats or took them off (my kids don't leave hats on very long when idle) then there would be more body heat loss. Heat leaves the body fastest through the feet and head. If they were not strapped in they could move around to generate body heat, but they were strapped into car seats. All it takes is lowering the body temperature about 3F for hypothermia to set in. That can easily happen in 2-3 hours. You're a moron if you think this situation is no big deal. Yes, if they were there for 15-30 minutes, you might have a case (I wouldn't agree, but would have less scientific objection). But if you don't even know these basic facts and still try to give them a pass, then you are tragically bad parenting material and shoudl not be left alone with children under 5.

Anonymous wrote:What about a single mom who is with her kids waiting for the bus in 20 degree cold with her kid? And the bus doesn't come for half an hour? And then getting off the bus and having to walk 20 mins home to their apartment in the freezing cold? The kids in question were in a locked car.

See my last paragraph above. You too also fail parenting class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. The parents seem like outstanding, highly educated professionals. There must be a simple explanation. Maybe they expected to take their kids into the wine tasting and were told they couldnt. So what do do? Maybe one parent checked on them every few minutes and kids were probably asleep.

I truly, truly hope you do not have children. Your level of naivete and ignorance is scary. You have no basis for assumign they are outstanding parents. Perhaps highly educated professionals, but other than one comment from a neighbor that they seemed like wonderful parents, what do you based this assumption on? That they were white and rich? First, outstanding parents do not take two 2-year old children to a wine tasting at an upscale restaurant which will probably last 2.5-3 hours. Second, if they somehow had an emergency and they had to, once told they couldn't being them in, they should have made alternate plans that did not leave them unattended in a below freezing car for said 2.5-3 hours.

Are you one of those people who deny climate change because the science doesn't add up to you? Even a car with the inside at about 65-70 F will cool down rather rapidly in 28 F external temperature. Within a half hour, the car interior is likely to be below 40 F. While it doesn't seem cold to you standing around or walking around or bouncing around in the air because heat transfers through air/gas the slowest. Heat will transfer through solids medium and liquids the fastest. Unlike you standing around in the cold, these children were strapped into car seats, so that their body heat would leave faster than if they were standing in the air. Likewise, whether they had coats on or not, the body heat would travel through their pants into the materials of the car seat faster than through the air. If you are sitting on a car seat in an unheated car, your heat will escape through your legs and gluteus maximum into the car seat fastest. Same with the kids. Additionally, if they had no hats or took them off (my kids don't leave hats on very long when idle) then there would be more body heat loss. Heat leaves the body fastest through the feet and head. If they were not strapped in they could move around to generate body heat, but they were strapped into car seats. All it takes is lowering the body temperature about 3F for hypothermia to set in. That can easily happen in 2-3 hours. You're a moron if you think this situation is no big deal. Yes, if they were there for 15-30 minutes, you might have a case (I wouldn't agree, but would have less scientific objection). But if you don't even know these basic facts and still try to give them a pass, then you are tragically bad parenting material and shoudl not be left alone with children under 5.

Anonymous wrote:What about a single mom who is with her kids waiting for the bus in 20 degree cold with her kid? And the bus doesn't come for half an hour? And then getting off the bus and having to walk 20 mins home to their apartment in the freezing cold? The kids in question were in a locked car.

See my last paragraph above. You too also fail parenting class.

Thanks for the science lesson, Bill Nye.

[Anonymous]

So, on this thread, what are we seeing?

1) white privilege - oh, they're white and rich and this was just a silly misunderstanding

2) willful trolling - let me see how outrageously I can defend these people and stir up the pot

3) concerned but not that concerned - ok, yes, these people are stupid and foolish but it's not like they really harmed the kids by doing something truly terrible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, on this thread, what are we seeing?

1) white privilege - oh, they're white and rich and this was just a silly misunderstanding

2) willful trolling - let me see how outrageously I can defend these people and stir up the pot

3) concerned but not that concerned - ok, yes, these people are stupid and foolish but it's not like they really harmed the kids by doing something truly terrible

4) outrage that anyone of any color or SES would do this

and it's 4 that's dominant.

[Anonymous]

Anyone defending them should never have children. Ever.

These people made a mistake that could have turned tragic....fast...in that weather.

Those parents should be watched REALLY closely going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder how the parents kept their name out of the news . It is usually reported.

They didn't first name of woman: Jenny man: Kristoff
Both phonetic spellings. NBC 4 named them last night when they announced the cruelty charge

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know where the car was in relation to the restaurant? Right outside? A few steps away?

Not looking to excuse it AT ALL. Just wondering if there is some more information out yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where the car was in relation to the restaurant? Right outside? A few steps away?

Not looking to excuse it AT ALL. Just wondering if there is some more information out yet.

You can't really park right outside--there's a valet area and loading zone for the ritz. It might have been right across the street, but then even if they had the crazy f-ed up logic that they could keep an eye on them from Ris, they weren't because they didn't see the cops, etc.

A lot doesn't add up. This is my neighborhood and I can't imagine driving from my apt (a block from their house) to Ris.

Those poor kids. I hope they were released to extended family so they aren't in foster care with strangers. (God bless foster care, I'm just saying that someone they know is better.)

[Anonymous]

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out.