Can "bad" schools get better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you who have written off entire groups of kids as worthless, disposable people who should be kept separate "in their own school" (makes my stomach turn just typing it) are a new low for DCUM.

I hope you aren't passing your nastiness onto your kids. Hopefully they'll be bigger people than you and actually give a shit about others.

OMG - are you serious??? No one said anything about these kids eing worthless and disposable. But, they don't belong in regular public school. They have issues and problems that you can't even imageine. They need a level of support that a public school can not provide. They are disruptive to other kids. They fight, they act-up, they have no respect for anyone or anything. I know it is hard for many people to believe that this type of environment exists in affluent MCPS so I invite you and your child to come spend the day at our school. I guarantee that your stomach will turn for other reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you who have written off entire groups of kids as worthless, disposable people who should be kept separate "in their own school" (makes my stomach turn just typing it) are a new low for DCUM.

I hope you aren't passing your nastiness onto your kids. Hopefully they'll be bigger people than you and actually give a shit about others.

OMG - are you serious??? No one said anything about these kids eing worthless and disposable. But, they don't belong in regular public school. They have issues and problems that you can't even imageine. They need a level of support that a public school can not provide. They are disruptive to other kids. They fight, they act-up, they have no respect for anyone or anything. I know it is hard for many people to believe that this type of environment exists in affluent MCPS so I invite you and your child to come spend the day at our school. I guarantee that your stomach will turn for other reasons.

I care deeply about "these" kids and spent an entire career dedicated to helping them (though some sadly cannot be helped). That being said, I do not want my own kids in school with them-it's that simple. As a parent it is my job to protect my kids-sending them into the "lions den" every day would be doing just the opposite. I want my kids to feel safe, not have to worry about being violated or harrassed, and to be in a place that fosters learning. Sadly many of the "bad" schools are lacking in so many ways-some of these kids do need more restrictive school settings, or to be institutionalized due to severe mental illness or sociopathic behaviors. Sad but true and I say to hell with being "PC" at this point-it is survival of the fittest!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I meant Crownsville.

Either way, bye. If you're not happy, just leave. Or work to change things. Ranting here isn't doing shit for you or your precious, delicate baby.

Which is why I will ensure my precious kids never set foot in Northwood!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I meant Crownsville.

Either way, bye. If you're not happy, just leave. Or work to change things. Ranting here isn't doing shit for you or your precious, delicate baby.

Which is why I will ensure my precious kids never set foot in Northwood!

or any similar school!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a school in another state that would likely compare to Blair in many ways-Great AP program, Med-science program with lots of smart kids. One kid got a full scholarship to Harvard, many went on to college, while many others did drugs, while some others dropped out.

I posted this and forgot to say that I want better for my kid-Blair is good only due to the magnet-Whitman is good because of the student body, as is Sherwood and the other W schools. Political correctedness aside, poor minority populations bring down a school and there is no doubt that is a fact!

So, if they were all poor but white, they wouldn't bring down the school? So, the problem is "colored people"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a school in another state that would likely compare to Blair in many ways-Great AP program, Med-science program with lots of smart kids. One kid got a full scholarship to Harvard, many went on to college, while many others did drugs, while some others dropped out.

I posted this and forgot to say that I want better for my kid-Blair is good only due to the magnet-Whitman is good because of the student body, as is Sherwood and the other W schools. Political correctedness aside, poor minority populations bring down a school and there is no doubt that is a fact!

So, if they were all poor but white, they wouldn't bring down the school? So, the problem is "colored people"?

I would have to research a school in Appalacia and get back to you-not sure of the answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a school in another state that would likely compare to Blair in many ways-Great AP program, Med-science program with lots of smart kids. One kid got a full scholarship to Harvard, many went on to college, while many others did drugs, while some others dropped out.

I posted this and forgot to say that I want better for my kid-Blair is good only due to the magnet-Whitman is good because of the student body, as is Sherwood and the other W schools. Political correctedness aside, poor minority populations bring down a school and there is no doubt that is a fact!

So, if they were all poor but white, they wouldn't bring down the school? So, the problem is "colored people"?

This is actually an interesting question that I would love to get an answer to. I googled it and again, everything was "the achievement gap between low income and minority students vs. middle income whites," "gap between poor minorities and whites persists" and stuff like that. There doesn't seem to be many studies controlling for SES. Of course we know that low income minorities perform worse than upper income whites, but it would be interesting to see the results of a study that compared low income whites to low income minorities.

Of course, in this area (well, this country actually) poor and minority tend to go hand in hand, and white and wealthy go hand in hand. The wealthiest schools have the highest white populations, the poorest have the lowest white populations.

[Anonymous]

Huntington High school in WV has an 80 percent white population-median family income is $29,000.00 and FARMS rate is about 54%. Test scores are at or below 50% and AP courses taken are at 8%. Clearly they are not high acheivers or doing very well. Poverty has an adverse effect on every race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Median family income in MOCO is 106,093. If you that and divide by 12 and multiple by 40% you get 3536 which amounts to a house with piti about 600k. You can buy in a decent house in WJ school district for that amount. Condos even start at 189k

OK, so if you earn the median family income in Montgomery County (keeping in mind that half of households earn less), and you spend 40% of your gross income on housing, then you can afford to buy in the Walter Johnson zone (but not Whitman or Churchill).

How does this demonstrate that anybody could afford to send their children to Bethesda or Potomac, if only they truly considered all of their choices?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Huntington High school in WV has an 80 percent white population-median family income is $29,000.00 and FARMS rate is about 54%. Test scores are at or below 50% and AP courses taken are at 8%. Clearly they are not high acheivers or doing very well. Poverty has an adverse effect on every race.

This really should go without saying!

[Anonymous]

"Anonymous wrote:
Median family income in MOCO is 106,093. If you that and divide by 12 and multiple by 40% you get 3536 which amounts to a house with piti about 600k. You can buy in a decent house in WJ school district for that amount. Condos even start at 189k"

Aside from the fact that half of families make less than that, 40% of your pre tax income is a huge amount to spend on housing. Certainly if you still have daycare costs for younger kids it is impossible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Huntington High school in WV has an 80 percent white population-median family income is $29,000.00 and FARMS rate is about 54%. Test scores are at or below 50% and AP courses taken are at 8%. Clearly they are not high acheivers or doing very well. Poverty has an adverse effect on every race.

This really should go without saying!

Which is why the comment "poor minority populations bring down a school and there is no doubt that is a fact!" above is racist, or ignorant at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huntington High school in WV has an 80 percent white population-median family income is $29,000.00 and FARMS rate is about 54%. Test scores are at or below 50% and AP courses taken are at 8%. Clearly they are not high acheivers or doing very well. Poverty has an adverse effect on every race.

This really should go without saying!

Which is why the comment "poor minority populations bring down a school and there is no doubt that is a fact!" above is racist, or ignorant at best.

That's a true statement for MoCo. We are NOT in WV the last time I checked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huntington High school in WV has an 80 percent white population-median family income is $29,000.00 and FARMS rate is about 54%. Test scores are at or below 50% and AP courses taken are at 8%. Clearly they are not high acheivers or doing very well. Poverty has an adverse effect on every race.

This really should go without saying!

Which is why the comment "poor minority populations bring down a school and there is no doubt that is a fact!" above is racist, or ignorant at best.

That's a true statement for MoCo. We are NOT in WV the last time I checked.

I don't understand. Poverty does not have an adverse effect on poor white people in Montgomery County?

[Anonymous]

it does. it's just that nowdays poor whites in mcps are small portion of under performing population compare to so called "poor minority populations" PP was referring to.