Any men here who walked away from their families?

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

Mom - refuses to work
Dad - in the military or has a job that requires unpredictable hours or late nights.

Result - full custody to mom.

You could get a different job. One that fits with your parenting needs. That's normal for women. Ever think of it?

Ever think that people have very different economic situations from you?

Single moms make it work all the time, Dad cant even look for another job so he can have custody? Seems like he didnt really want it in the first place...

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

I realize it’s hard to understand but there are in fact women who will lie and cheat their way to alienating the father. is the father blameless - no. But having seen this dynamic up close, I cannot fully blame the man who concludes that continually triggering the BPD antics is not good for anyone, and takes a big step back.

Excuses, excuses. I 100% fully blame the man who "takes a big step back" from his own children, because he's an asshat.

And no blame on the mother? yeah right. as I said nobody’s a hero in this scenario but it’s not true that the mom is purely blameless.

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Anonymous wrote:At death, no. It should go to all bio kids equally. Skip the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th wives entirely.

So if your boy keeps popping them out, less and less for your kids. Oh well!

You can't disinherit your spouse unless they're really dumb and waived their spousal election in a prenup.

You also gotta account for the costs of raising the children you create.

Yet 40% of single mother households received
ZERO child support from the never married, married, or divorced bio father.

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

I realize it’s hard to understand but there are in fact women who will lie and cheat their way to alienating the father. is the father blameless - no. But having seen this dynamic up close, I cannot fully blame the man who concludes that continually triggering the BPD antics is not good for anyone, and takes a big step back.

Maybe he shouldn't have picked such a difficult woman to have children with if NOT dealing with her is more important than having a relationship with his kids. I get the feeling you haven't seen your kids in a while and "it's all her fault" that you've "stepped back" from being a f***ing parent to your children.

End of the day, there are no excuses for dead beat dads like yourself. You can blame the women, you can blame the courts, you can blame the kids. But its you who isn't making the effort to see them. It is you who has abandoned your own flesh and blood. Because why, it's too hard? It's too difficult? It's too annoying? Disgusting.

I’m a woman, genius. And I have seen all varieties of splits - including false accusations of abuse, which are enough to deter a lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Second family dudes are my least favorite. I think it’s because of growing up around enough first family kids. But now as an adult, if you have a second family I have a really hard time respecting you even if you’re a senator or a fancy lawyer or whatever. It’s a red line for me. I understand that people get divorced, but I’ll never understand the do-over family.

+1. It's immoral to leave your first children behind in order to pursue a new family. It causes such betrayal pain and generational trauma.

Kids recognize when the SAHM just relies on her title and duties as Mom. They understand who the successful one is, and whose train they need to hitch. They can see when Dad is busting his butt and provides a huge house for the family, vs the Mom crying through making dinner because her own Dad died SIX months ago. They understand when they’re out at an event and people fawn over their Dad, and then turn to the supposedly indispensable SAHM and say “And you are?”

So like Nick in the Four Seasons, when I had the opportunity to leave SAHM for someone so much better, I didn’t hesitate. I demanded dual custody with no say for her on who spent time with the kids during my time (that’s really important). I wasn’t going to let her veto anyone I date. My girlfriend knows my kids are my legacy and is good with that.

I’m able to mold my girlfriend in ways that are better for all of us. She understands that her expectations and values need to align with mine, and she appreciates all I do for her professionally and personally. She’s only gotten hotter the last two years since we’ve gotten together.

We’re like the Four Seasons in that we do a big trip together four times a year. We did Disney in the spring, and St. Barts this summer. Fall is Vegas F1 and then we’re hitting Switzerland for Christmas. My ex just can’t compete, though she pitifully tries with overnights to the Greenbrier with the kids that eat up a week of client fees (she’s a therapist now that she has to work again). But when Dad takes you on elite vacations and his GF is within a decade of your oldest and can turn him on to new TikTok videos, the kids see Mom as pathetic. They know they’re far better off if they’re loyal to me, no matter how much “quality time” Ms. Psychoanalyst wants to spend with them exploring their feelings.

“They know they’re far better off if they’re loyal to me”
You sound like you’ve tried to purchase their affections. They might like you for your money, but having a child bride watching TikTok videos with them doesn’t build the sort of bond you’re theorizing. The men (people really) who hold money over people’s heads never do well in the long run.

Does your gf work? I wonder why you disparage SAHM when it was likely at least partly your idea.

Folks. This is satire, right?

No. This is some health scientist from NIH or similar who may have a few inventions who fell in love with a lab junior on a business trip.

Wtf. He has a track record of writing that $hit.

Doge him.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I will get slammed, but most of these marriages are dead and transactional by that point anyway. It’s rarely a shock to anyone, and in retrospect, often a blessing.

Marriage shouldn’t stop a father from being a father. If his marriage dissolves he’s no longer a husband, but he’s still a father. That isn’t an excuse for dead beats.

I don’t agree with the idea that somehow kids will always want have a connection with father. It’s completely unrealistic and ignores reality. Sure it’s true for some but not all situations. Mothers or fathers ( less likely) can turn the kids against the other parent

Some moms want to cover up their affair and play happy family with the ap. Dad’s role is only money and she refuses contact and alienates the kids. It goes both ways.

Nope. You can’t alienate the kids if you’re an involved caring parent to begin with. Stop making excuses for lazy men who refuse to parent.

A determined angry woman can absolutely alienate the kids. Stop making excuses for spiteful women.

They literally can’t though. If a dad is kind, caring, involved and the kids know that they would never believe any lies told. The only thing that kids know is if you show up and are there. If your ex is some all powerful wizard then sure, maybe I’d believe that she is magically strong enough to alienate your children. Otherwise? You’re just lazy and selfish. You care more about yourself and your ego than your kids. Those people? That’s not alienation, that’s just the common sense outcome of not caring about your kids.

It's hard to have a conversation with someone who is so simple minded and clearly has an axe to grind, but kids do believe their parents, even when they tell them things that don't seem right. The fact that you don't understand that (or refuse to acknowledge it) says a lot about your parenting. The more you post the more I feel sorry for your ex.

When was the last time you saw your kids? Maybe make more of an effort with them instead of posting on dcum all day complaining your ex alienated your kids.

If you were a kind, competent, involved father, this wouldn't be an issue. The issue lies squarely and singly with you. Stop blaming women for your own personal and parental failures.

Well, I'm a woman and I saw my kids about 30 minutes ago (I work from home). I'm also happily married to the father of my children. But I've seen parents do some sh!t to their kids, including lying and manipulating the system, so I'm not one to make blanket statements or judgments, but you can feel free to keep doing so.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I will get slammed, but most of these marriages are dead and transactional by that point anyway. It’s rarely a shock to anyone, and in retrospect, often a blessing.

Marriage shouldn’t stop a father from being a father. If his marriage dissolves he’s no longer a husband, but he’s still a father. That isn’t an excuse for dead beats.

I don’t agree with the idea that somehow kids will always want have a connection with father. It’s completely unrealistic and ignores reality. Sure it’s true for some but not all situations. Mothers or fathers ( less likely) can turn the kids against the other parent

Some moms want to cover up their affair and play happy family with the ap. Dad’s role is only money and she refuses contact and alienates the kids. It goes both ways.

Nope. You can’t alienate the kids if you’re an involved caring parent to begin with. Stop making excuses for lazy men who refuse to parent.

A determined angry woman can absolutely alienate the kids. Stop making excuses for spiteful women.

They literally can’t though. If a dad is kind, caring, involved and the kids know that they would never believe any lies told. The only thing that kids know is if you show up and are there. If your ex is some all powerful wizard then sure, maybe I’d believe that she is magically strong enough to alienate your children. Otherwise? You’re just lazy and selfish. You care more about yourself and your ego than your kids. Those people? That’s not alienation, that’s just the common sense outcome of not caring about your kids.

It's hard to have a conversation with someone who is so simple minded and clearly has an axe to grind, but kids do believe their parents, even when they tell them things that don't seem right. The fact that you don't understand that (or refuse to acknowledge it) says a lot about your parenting. The more you post the more I feel sorry for your ex.

When was the last time you saw your kids? Maybe make more of an effort with them instead of posting on dcum all day complaining your ex alienated your kids.

If you were a kind, competent, involved father, this wouldn't be an issue. The issue lies squarely and singly with you. Stop blaming women for your own personal and parental failures.

Well, I'm a woman and I saw my kids about 30 minutes ago (I work from home). I'm also happily married to the father of my children. But I've seen parents do some sh!t to their kids, including lying and manipulating the system, so I'm not one to make blanket statements or judgments, but you can feel free to keep doing so.

Ugh. Women who blame other women for mens' failures make me sick.

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

I realize it’s hard to understand but there are in fact women who will lie and cheat their way to alienating the father. is the father blameless - no. But having seen this dynamic up close, I cannot fully blame the man who concludes that continually triggering the BPD antics is not good for anyone, and takes a big step back.

Excuses, excuses. I 100% fully blame the man who "takes a big step back" from his own children, because he's an asshat.

And no blame on the mother? yeah right. as I said nobody’s a hero in this scenario but it’s not true that the mom is purely blameless.

lol Now you’ve convinced yourself that a divorced woman is somehow able to control her ex husband.

Dude, if she could get him to work the job she wanted and spend time with the kids when she wanted, there’s no way in hell she’d be divorcing him.

Instead, the divorced guy is mad because the ex wife isn’t covering for him anymore. He doesn’t like that his actions “look bad” and he thinks his ex wife is soooo mean for not being at his beck and call to produce the kids whenever it’s convenient all the while doing the emotional labor to convince the kids that their dad’s (chosen) absence is an act of love. F that

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

I realize it’s hard to understand but there are in fact women who will lie and cheat their way to alienating the father. is the father blameless - no. But having seen this dynamic up close, I cannot fully blame the man who concludes that continually triggering the BPD antics is not good for anyone, and takes a big step back.

Maybe he shouldn't have picked such a difficult woman to have children with if NOT dealing with her is more important than having a relationship with his kids. I get the feeling you haven't seen your kids in a while and "it's all her fault" that you've "stepped back" from being a f***ing parent to your children.

End of the day, there are no excuses for dead beat dads like yourself. You can blame the women, you can blame the courts, you can blame the kids. But its you who isn't making the effort to see them. It is you who has abandoned your own flesh and blood. Because why, it's too hard? It's too difficult? It's too annoying? Disgusting.

I’m a woman, genius. And I have seen all varieties of splits - including false accusations of abuse, which are enough to deter a lot of people.

Do you think most loser dads who abandon their children fit this category? Or is that simply the fraction of most cases? You seem to be tripping over yourself, picking this bone real hard when it doesnt represent very many men.

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

I realize it’s hard to understand but there are in fact women who will lie and cheat their way to alienating the father. is the father blameless - no. But having seen this dynamic up close, I cannot fully blame the man who concludes that continually triggering the BPD antics is not good for anyone, and takes a big step back.

Excuses, excuses. I 100% fully blame the man who "takes a big step back" from his own children, because he's an asshat.

And no blame on the mother? yeah right. as I said nobody’s a hero in this scenario but it’s not true that the mom is purely blameless.

The only person to blame for a man not seeing his kids is the man, who refuses to see his kids.

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Men are just perpetual victims. It's getting pathetic.

If he wanted to, he would. It's that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

Mom - refuses to work
Dad - in the military or has a job that requires unpredictable hours or late nights.

Result - full custody to mom.

You could get a different job. One that fits with your parenting needs. That's normal for women. Ever think of it?

Ever think that people have very different economic situations from you?

Nope. You make it work.

My dad was the CEO of a large tech company when my parents split. And mom did absolutely everything to alienate us from him.

He quit his job and started a new career in something far less lucrative so he could be there for his kids. Yes, he had to downsize. Yes, money was tight. And he took a crappy job so he could have time to volunteer at our school and be home when we got home.

Bottom line is if you care about your kids, you do whatever it takes. Moms do it all the time. I know moms who get up at 3am to work while their kids sleep.

If you can’t prioritize your kids, you’re not a real man. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:1. One friend impregnated a woman after a 3-month long intense courtship. He proposed with a huge diamond when she got pregnant. Decided not to marry her a couple months later when it became clear this woman had serious mental health issues (borderline, bipolar, delusional—like believed the golden retriever was trying to kill her). My friend supports both mom and child financially and sees child when he can, but mom limits that contact. I’m sure mom and child feel he walked away.
2. Other friend was 12 when Dad left big Catholic family, refused to support, and got cancer and tried to change will to leave everything to his make co-worker. They were abandoned, but you can guess the situation.

Yeah right. Same old sob story from the deadbeat dads.

Yep amazing how so many of these women that get left are “crazy” and “unfit”. Ok so if you think she’s so insane why abandon your kids with her?

1. Significant mental illness is very common in women.
2. It's damn near impossible to get the courts to award a man custody and deny it to a woman no matter how crazy she is.

No, it’s not. Default is 50/50. If you don’t have 50%, it’s because you don’t want it.

Also, my dad was awarded full custody in the 90s, and my mom wasn’t even crazy or a bad mom. He was just a more involved parent than she was. Anyone who says the court systems don’t award custody to fathers hasn’t really been through the court system, it’s usually because they are completely checked out.

Mom - refuses to work
Dad - in the military or has a job that requires unpredictable hours or late nights.

Result - full custody to mom.

You could get a different job. One that fits with your parenting needs. That's normal for women. Ever think of it?

Ever think that people have very different economic situations from you?

Nope. You make it work.

My dad was the CEO of a large tech company when my parents split. And mom did absolutely everything to alienate us from him.

He quit his job and started a new career in something far less lucrative so he could be there for his kids. Yes, he had to downsize. Yes, money was tight. And he took a crappy job so he could have time to volunteer at our school and be home when we got home.

Bottom line is if you care about your kids, you do whatever it takes. Moms do it all the time. I know moms who get up at 3am to work while their kids sleep.

If you can’t prioritize your kids, you’re not a real man. Period.

Wow, that's so awesome he was so committed to being your dad. It's really sad that some people have the bar set so low for men.

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I would imagine more people then you think dream about going out for milk and never coming back.

After years of marriage and kids causing a ruckus, sometimes you think to yourself it would be so nice to be back at that single little condo being able to go to work come home and be left alone.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I will get slammed, but most of these marriages are dead and transactional by that point anyway. It’s rarely a shock to anyone, and in retrospect, often a blessing.

Marriage shouldn’t stop a father from being a father. If his marriage dissolves he’s no longer a husband, but he’s still a father. That isn’t an excuse for dead beats.

I don’t agree with the idea that somehow kids will always want have a connection with father. It’s completely unrealistic and ignores reality. Sure it’s true for some but not all situations. Mothers or fathers ( less likely) can turn the kids against the other parent

Some moms want to cover up their affair and play happy family with the ap. Dad’s role is only money and she refuses contact and alienates the kids. It goes both ways.

Nope. You can’t alienate the kids if you’re an involved caring parent to begin with. Stop making excuses for lazy men who refuse to parent.

A determined angry woman can absolutely alienate the kids. Stop making excuses for spiteful women.

They literally can’t though. If a dad is kind, caring, involved and the kids know that they would never believe any lies told. The only thing that kids know is if you show up and are there. If your ex is some all powerful wizard then sure, maybe I’d believe that she is magically strong enough to alienate your children. Otherwise? You’re just lazy and selfish. You care more about yourself and your ego than your kids. Those people? That’s not alienation, that’s just the common sense outcome of not caring about your kids.

It's hard to have a conversation with someone who is so simple minded and clearly has an axe to grind, but kids do believe their parents, even when they tell them things that don't seem right. The fact that you don't understand that (or refuse to acknowledge it) says a lot about your parenting. The more you post the more I feel sorry for your ex.

When was the last time you saw your kids? Maybe make more of an effort with them instead of posting on dcum all day complaining your ex alienated your kids.

If you were a kind, competent, involved father, this wouldn't be an issue. The issue lies squarely and singly with you. Stop blaming women for your own personal and parental failures.

Well, I'm a woman and I saw my kids about 30 minutes ago (I work from home). I'm also happily married to the father of my children. But I've seen parents do some sh!t to their kids, including lying and manipulating the system, so I'm not one to make blanket statements or judgments, but you can feel free to keep doing so.

Ugh. Women who blame other women for mens' failures make me sick.

Cool, good for you. People who refuse to think that both men and women can do some messed up stuff make me sick.