Any men here who walked away from their families?

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You never answered - how long did your "friend" fight for his children before giving up? How much effort were his children worth?

+1 My nephew's ex tried to keep the kid away from him. He begged/borrowed money to hire a lawyer to fight her because he loves his kid and wants them in his life. He even moved to be closer.

I cannot imagine giving up being able to see my kids. I'd fight tooth and nail and bankrupt myself to keep my kids in my life.

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Anonymous wrote: I’m assuming no one would admit it. But maybe since it’s anonymous someone will chime in. Could you explain your thought process, if you have any regrets, and what might have stopped you on your way out?

(A DW asking, and yes, this is what my DH did, seemingly due to overwhelm/boredom with obligations)

I can answer from someone close to someone who did it. He did it for a hot young woman and s** and to get away from the ex-wife who tarnished his reputation when he cheated on her (not with the second wife, but with one of her close friends and neighbors - the mother of his sons' teammates), and "alienated" his children from him. Then he met someone new, fed her a load of crap about how his first wife is the "devil", had a few kids, and became bitter, angry, and abusive toward his second wife, whom he blamed for his strained relationship with his first set of kids. Now he and his second wife are divorcing, and his version of parenting his younger kids is to hire a full-time nanny who watches them from school pickup to 10 pm, and stays with them over the weekend. Most likely, you didn't get the worst of him. His second wife did.

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Anonymous wrote: I’m assuming no one would admit it. But maybe since it’s anonymous someone will chime in. Could you explain your thought process, if you have any regrets, and what might have stopped you on your way out?

(A DW asking, and yes, this is what my DH did, seemingly due to overwhelm/boredom with obligations)

I can answer from someone close to someone who did it. He did it for a hot young woman and s** and to get away from the ex-wife who tarnished his reputation when he cheated on her (not with the second wife, but with one of her close friends and neighbors - the mother of his sons' teammates), and "alienated" his children from him. Then he met someone new, fed her a load of crap about how his first wife is the "devil", had a few kids, and became bitter, angry, and abusive toward his second wife, whom he blamed for his strained relationship with his first set of kids. Now he and his second wife are divorcing, and his version of parenting his younger kids is to hire a full-time nanny who watches them from school pickup to 10 pm, and stays with them over the weekend. Most likely, you didn't get the worst of him. His second wife did.

** That was unclear. He cheated with one of his first wife's close friends, who was their neighbor and the parent of his kids' teammate. He also cheated on his second wife, no surprise.

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Anonymous wrote: I’m assuming no one would admit it. But maybe since it’s anonymous someone will chime in. Could you explain your thought process, if you have any regrets, and what might have stopped you on your way out?

(A DW asking, and yes, this is what my DH did, seemingly due to overwhelm/boredom with obligations)

I can answer from someone close to someone who did it. He did it for a hot young woman and s** and to get away from the ex-wife who tarnished his reputation when he cheated on her (not with the second wife, but with one of her close friends and neighbors - the mother of his sons' teammates), and "alienated" his children from him. Then he met someone new, fed her a load of crap about how his first wife is the "devil", had a few kids, and became bitter, angry, and abusive toward his second wife, whom he blamed for his strained relationship with his first set of kids. Now he and his second wife are divorcing, and his version of parenting his younger kids is to hire a full-time nanny who watches them from school pickup to 10 pm, and stays with them over the weekend. Most likely, you didn't get the worst of him. His second wife did.

** That was unclear. He cheated with one of his first wife's close friends, who was their neighbor and the parent of his kids' teammate. He also cheated on his second wife, no surprise.

But it was all the ex wives' faults!! He's secretly an amazing father and all the women/baby mommas are the evil devils!

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Anonymous wrote:My bf walked away from his lovely wife and daughter. He told me they were the problem, which I initially believed. Ten years into our relationship, he walked away from his second family, because “he needed to”. Of course now it’s obvious who the problem is. Some men are simply not people who can be counted on but they control what they tell you so won’t known until you are the next chapter in his book of loved ones he’s chronically dumps.

You might want to take some time to do some independent research next time. Didn't you see him abandoning his family as a red flag?

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Anonymous wrote:My bf walked away from his lovely wife and daughter. He told me they were the problem, which I initially believed. Ten years into our relationship, he walked away from his second family, because “he needed to”. Of course now it’s obvious who the problem is. Some men are simply not people who can be counted on but they control what they tell you so won’t known until you are the next chapter in his book of loved ones he’s chronically dumps.

You might want to take some time to do some independent research next time. Didn't you see him abandoning his family as a red flag?

Sometimes, intelligent women make poor choices when picking a partner. "The most dangerous place for a woman is in her own home," and "a woman is most likely to be killed by her husband/boyfriend than anyone else." If you've never been the victim of domestic violence or volunteered to help victims of domestic violence, it might be hard to understand. None of us is immune to making poor choices; it's just that choosing the wrong partner is the most costly choice a woman can make.

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You never answered - how long did your "friend" fight for his children before giving up? How much effort were his children worth?

He's been fighting for months and won't give up. He's spent six figures on legal fees already. But no, I must be lying, because men suck and women never do anything wrong. I'm a woman, by the way, and I think his wife is awful for what she's doing to the kid and to him. Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative. You are SO angry. I wonder again who hurt you.

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

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I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

HAHAHAHAHAHA OK. Please seek help.

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

I guess the passport poster is long gone, so I'll respond. Under the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, the federal government can deny a passport when a parent owes more than $2500 in back child support. Child support agencies in all 50 states submit information on parents who meet the criteria for passport denial to the federal Office of Child Support Services (OCSS), which forwards those names to the Department of State.

The State Department's current official website states: "If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport" -- https://oag.dc.gov/passport-denial

Who's the idiot now?

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

I guess the passport poster is long gone, so I'll respond. Under the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, the federal government can deny a passport when a parent owes more than $2500 in back child support. Child support agencies in all 50 states submit information on parents who meet the criteria for passport denial to the federal Office of Child Support Services (OCSS), which forwards those names to the Department of State.

The State Department's current official website states: "If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport" -- https://oag.dc.gov/passport-denial

Who's the idiot now?

The poster is claiming that the ex-wife hid the passport. Not that she went through the proper channels to garnish it, which of course is true and of course I know about.

So, still you.

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I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

HAHAHAHAHAHA OK. Please seek help.

I love the inevitable idiotic response when you've been had.

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

I guess the passport poster is long gone, so I'll respond. Under the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, the federal government can deny a passport when a parent owes more than $2500 in back child support. Child support agencies in all 50 states submit information on parents who meet the criteria for passport denial to the federal Office of Child Support Services (OCSS), which forwards those names to the Department of State.

The State Department's current official website states: "If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport" -- https://oag.dc.gov/passport-denial

Who's the idiot now?

The poster is claiming that the ex-wife hid the passport. Not that she went through the proper channels to garnish it, which of course is true and of course I know about.

So, still you.

Highly doubt it. If so he could file for a duplicate passport. More likely, it was taken through proper channels.

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Anonymous wrote:Question about the men who do this and then launch new families with a younger woman. Do those stick or do they end up walking away from those too?

I’m the new wife (now ex-wife). I was actually wife #3. Yes, I was stupid, and yes, I should have known better.

He tried to stick it out because a third divorce and broken family looks bad, but even though he was physically in the home, mentally and emotionally he was completely checked out.

Reality is a lot of men simply don’t want families and go through with it because of pressure from society, peer groups, family, etc. In our case, I do believe he wanted companionship, and he only went through with marriage and kids because I was going to break up with him if he didn’t.

He moved about 10 minutes from me and we do 50/50 custody. I don’t know how he parents (DC is 3, so can’t communicate about xH’s parenting) and I don’t know if he’ll end up bailing like he did on his first two families. It would not surprise me if he did leave (with the first two he moved out of state “for work”), but I do think he’s a better father when he only has to be a father half the time and can spend the rest of the time on his hobbies, which aren’t very compatible with family life.

Even if he does stick around, I know he won’t be contributing to DC’s college fund or leaving any sort of inheritance. He is absolutely terrible with money and convinced his oldest child (23yo) not to go to college because he didn’t want to pay for it, which has of course ruined that child’s life and they bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job. He also never paid child support for any of his previous kids, even though he saw them only 1-2 times a year and their moms had full custody.

When younger women ask me for dating advice, I always tell them if a man is an even the slightest bit hesitant at the idea of marriage and kids, dump him. Don’t try to convince him. Don’t issue ultimatums. Don’t believe them when you dump them and they come crawling, swearing they changed their mind. They didn’t. They just don’t want to be alone.

I am so curious how he managed to get you to marry him. Did he just conceal all of this?

Honestly, I'm baffled myself how I fell for it. My self-esteem is great. What I think happened:

1. He actually did years of therapy and knew all the right things to say. I do believe on some level he wanted to change. But all therapy really did was give him a bunch of buzzwords to make it sound like he had changed. However, since he did therapy before we met and throughout the duration of our relationship, I took that as a sign he was committed, was improving, and was serious about me.

2. We had intense physical chemistry. I'm not usually a slave to pheromones or my hormones, but yowza. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced that yourself.

3. We had a ton in common, more than I'd had with anyone prior. We actually made great friends, and everyone always says to marry your best friend.

4. I actually did break up with him multiple times over the fact that I wanted marriage & kids, and he didn't. I'd end things cordially, saying what we wanted wasn't in alignment, he'd come crawling to me a couple weeks/months later saying he'd been reflecting on it, talking to his therapist, etc, and realized he actually did want to get married and have a family. And he *would* follow through on whatever he promised.

I also think a lot is messaging from the media and pop culture that if a man wants you, he will change for you. I've since learned that no, people don't ever actually change. They may try, they may seem to, but you can't undo decades of habits and patterns.

So you never said something like "Okay, if you're so committed to improving, start paying your child support" and then waited to see if he did it?

PP. I actually didn't know he didn't pay child support until near the end of our marriage. He was pocketing the money he said was for child support.

I did ask him to make certain improvements, which he did. Things really started falling apart after we actually had DC and he realized he didn't actually want more kids after all.

It is what it is. Yes, in hindsight, I should have just moved on rather than believe him. But it's too late now. I don't beat myself up over his decision to mislead me, that's on him.

When my ex didn’t pay child support I made sure everyone, yes including his at the time current live in love, his family, and friends. When that didn’t work I wrecked his credit, took his passport, etc., and if he had property that could be it had a lien on it.

I find it really hard to believe you had no idea if you got close enough to marry him. We see what we want to see.

The best advice you can give a younger woman is don’t be so desperate for anything that will have you, that you fail to really see a man’s character.

Ask for a copy of his credit report, chid support isn’t fun, but not paying it isn’t the same as forgetting to pay the water bill. One is absent minded the other is a lack of character.

if he has kids already, and you chose to get involved anyway you had no excuse, you weren’t duped you were an idiot. You can’t hide easily verifiable things like not paying support or being there for your kids.

Does he put their needs before yours. If not that’s a lack of character. If you married or dated him thinking “he loves me so much he even puts me before his children” then you have low self esteem and lack character.

If he’s been married twice already, and already has 2 sets of kids of course he can’t make time for them, iif he has time to date then he’s not making time for his kids because you can’t be in 3 places at once. Also he’s a moron who can’t manage adulting because who consistently makes such careless and reckless decisions. It’s not cute it’s stupid.

You’d have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think the 3rd time is the charm. No the 3rd woman who steps up to that plate just proves there is a sucker born every minute.

Best advice be wary of a divorced man, if he’s been divorced more than once, easy, run in the opposite direction. No excuses.

If only divorced once give him a chance but talk to the ex, if she’s still mad, after a few years there’s probably a good reason and it probably involves money and his not sharing the child rearing load.

Get to know his friends and family. A man who walks away from his kids isn’t just bad in one way, he’s usually bad in a lot of ways and there is always at least a few who will be honest with you.

No doubt you and your kids got burned and that sucks, but if you are going to give advice, start with check his references and his credit report before you have mind blowing intimacy.

And easiest advice of all if he’s been married twice already, danger, danger, abort, abort. Abandon mission and run the opposite way.

You sound psychotic. You know it’s illegal to take someone’s passport?

Nope. Men need to support the children they create. It's 100% LEGAL for the court to take away someones passport if they refuse to support their children. If you have money to travel you have money to support your children.

States will also execute people, but that doesn't make it legal for you to kill someone.

... Do you actually believe that she physically took his passport and hid it in her sock drawer? Clearly she went to court to get all of these things done. Or do you also believe that she wrote to his credit company to ruin his credit or physically "leaned" on his home? You aren't the brightest. These are the options available when parents don't comply. Men could easily do this if they cared at all about their own children. That's just too much effort tho amirite?! Pesky children getting in the way of buying property and travelling

Yes, I can believe that because it happened to my friend. Again, so sorry you have very limited life experience and therefore can't comprehend situations other than the one you know.

You're an idiot. Your friend is an idiot who doesn't care about his kids. Stop trying to make it sound like he tried everything and still failed. He's cheap and lazy and simply didn't care to fight for his children. That's sad, and I'd be ashamed to admit to being friends with someone who abandoned his kids. Yikes.

My friend is an idiot, and so I am, because his ex-wife took his passport out of his desk? You have some serious issues. I really hope you're able to get help for them.

You are in fact an idiot. An idiot for believing this BS story. And an idiot for not knowing that all he had to do was repot it stollen and get a new one. So you're a liar and a moron and possibly both.

I guess the passport poster is long gone, so I'll respond. Under the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, the federal government can deny a passport when a parent owes more than $2500 in back child support. Child support agencies in all 50 states submit information on parents who meet the criteria for passport denial to the federal Office of Child Support Services (OCSS), which forwards those names to the Department of State.

The State Department's current official website states: "If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport" -- https://oag.dc.gov/passport-denial

Who's the idiot now?

The poster is claiming that the ex-wife hid the passport. Not that she went through the proper channels to garnish it, which of course is true and of course I know about.

So, still you.

Highly doubt it. If so he could file for a duplicate passport. More likely, it was taken through proper channels.

OMG it's literally what I said in RESPONSE to pp claiming that the wife did not go through the proper channel and simply hid the passport. Please learn how to read.