Question about the homophobia thread

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NP. There is some deep and profound sexism at play in what medical care transwomen have access to under insurance that cis women do not, and it is okay to acknowledge that.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

Oh good grief, are you really trying to make that lame and ridiculous (and insulting to black people) moral equivalency argument!?

it was ridiculous when people felt that way about black people and it's ridiculous now when people feel that way about anybody in the LGBT.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

Dp way to avoid answering the question!

I’ve already answered. No one owes the PP an explanation. They aren’t the gender hall monitor.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

No. It's not similar at all to settings like locker rooms.

Still your assertion that nobody should every feel "jarred" or have something "unexpected" happen is not a valid reason.

Put forth a valid reason.

It's jarring for a kid with Tourette's to make noise, so.. get over it.
It was jarring to go to school, be in a locker room with black people ... so... get over it.

Give a real reason.

You have garbage logic. Black people and people with disabilities are not inherently a threat to women. Stop implying women's instinctual need to protect themselves is the same as racism.

MEN are inherently a threat, due to biological realities across the animal kingdom. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but until men stop raping, beating and killing women, that is reality. It isn't on women to individually assess each male individual for threat level. It's exhausting. We just have to assume a threat.

This discussion is not about men.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

Did you actually watch this video? The person in this video labels breasts and penises as "gender markers" and then claims that they are not determined by biological sex. If breasts and penises are considered "gender markers" then it boldly contradicts the claim that sex and gender are totally separate and unrelated.

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw this on Twitter - a comment very applicable to this discussion:

The trans activists know they can’t win in a fair fight. They suppress, censor and deplatform because they know their position is insane and can’t be defended. If open discussion on this topic was allowed, their side would be crushed into oblivion in less than a week.

You just posted to say that you think transgender individuals suffer from mental illness. What type of open discussion can be held with you? Transgender people have existed throughout history. Almost every medical professional in the field accepts the reality of transgenderism. What evidence could possibly change your mind? Your idea of "open discussion" is simply to be allowed to deny the existence of transgender individuals.

Words matter. Are you saying that almost every medical professional in the field believes that men can become women and that women can become men or that gender dysphoria exists? The two are not the same. I do not deny the “existence” of people suffering from gender dysphoria but I do not believe men can become women and vice versa.

I agree that words matter. You are conflating different concepts and seem to believe that classifications of "men" and "women" are immutable. You are confusing "sex assigned at birth", "gender identity", and "gender expression". "Gender Dysphoria" can occur when the sex assigned at birth does not align with an individual's gender identity. You agree that this condition exists, but apparently believe that it is simply a mental health condition. Individual may decide to address gender dysphoria in a variety of ways. They may simply socially transition by changing pronouns and their name. That of course does not change the sex with which they were assigned at birth, but it does allow them to present as a different gender. Whether that means they are a man becoming a woman or vice versa is, I guess, subject to interpretation. But, really that's the wrong question. Some individuals may seek to transition legally, meaning they have their government-issued documents updated to reflect their gender. So, someone whose assigned sex at birth was male may receive a driver's license specifying that she is female. Whether that means that a man has become a woman is again, I guess, subject to interpretation. But, again, it's not the right question. Others may seek to medically transition which can involve many different types of treatment. Once again, whether those going through such treatments men becoming women or vice versa is, I guess, subject to interpretation. But, that is still not the right question. It is important to remember that not all transgender people will seek all or even any of these paths. All of these methods of addressing gender dysphoria have strong support among the medical community.

Why is sex assigned at birth?

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw this on Twitter - a comment very applicable to this discussion:

The trans activists know they can’t win in a fair fight. They suppress, censor and deplatform because they know their position is insane and can’t be defended. If open discussion on this topic was allowed, their side would be crushed into oblivion in less than a week.

You just posted to say that you think transgender individuals suffer from mental illness. What type of open discussion can be held with you? Transgender people have existed throughout history. Almost every medical professional in the field accepts the reality of transgenderism. What evidence could possibly change your mind? Your idea of "open discussion" is simply to be allowed to deny the existence of transgender individuals.

Words matter. Are you saying that almost every medical professional in the field believes that men can become women and that women can become men or that gender dysphoria exists? The two are not the same. I do not deny the “existence” of people suffering from gender dysphoria but I do not believe men can become women and vice versa.

I agree that words matter. You are conflating different concepts and seem to believe that classifications of "men" and "women" are immutable. You are confusing "sex assigned at birth", "gender identity", and "gender expression". "Gender Dysphoria" can occur when the sex assigned at birth does not align with an individual's gender identity. You agree that this condition exists, but apparently believe that it is simply a mental health condition. Individual may decide to address gender dysphoria in a variety of ways. They may simply socially transition by changing pronouns and their name. That of course does not change the sex with which they were assigned at birth, but it does allow them to present as a different gender. Whether that means they are a man becoming a woman or vice versa is, I guess, subject to interpretation. But, really that's the wrong question. Some individuals may seek to transition legally, meaning they have their government-issued documents updated to reflect their gender. So, someone whose assigned sex at birth was male may receive a driver's license specifying that she is female. Whether that means that a man has become a woman is again, I guess, subject to interpretation. But, again, it's not the right question. Others may seek to medically transition which can involve many different types of treatment. Once again, whether those going through such treatments men becoming women or vice versa is, I guess, subject to interpretation. But, that is still not the right question. It is important to remember that not all transgender people will seek all or even any of these paths. All of these methods of addressing gender dysphoria have strong support among the medical community.

Why is sex assigned at birth?

Go troll somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

Oh good grief, are you really trying to make that lame and ridiculous (and insulting to black people) moral equivalency argument!?

it was ridiculous when people felt that way about black people and it's ridiculous now when people feel that way about anybody in the LGBT.

Sorry. No one is buying. Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

No sweetheart I’m not. Sex, chromosomes and biology define a woman, which is simply an adult human female. There is no such thing as gender, except in the realm of languages

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

No sweetheart I’m not. Sex, chromosomes and biology define a woman, which is simply an adult human female. There is no such thing as gender, except in the realm of languages

Are all of the bigots this ignorant?

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
“Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.”

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

No sweetheart I’m not. Sex, chromosomes and biology define a woman, which is simply an adult human female. There is no such thing as gender, except in the realm of languages

Are all of the bigots this ignorant?

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
“Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.”

I know that’s what it says I’m your women’s gender studies book. But that is an incorrect, made up definition

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

No sweetheart I’m not. Sex, chromosomes and biology define a woman, which is simply an adult human female. There is no such thing as gender, except in the realm of languages

Are all of the bigots this ignorant?

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
“Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.”

I know that’s what it says I’m your women’s gender studies book. But that is an incorrect, made up definition

That link is from the World Health Organization, I’d say that they have more credibility than an anonymous bigot.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

No sweetheart I’m not. Sex, chromosomes and biology define a woman, which is simply an adult human female. There is no such thing as gender, except in the realm of languages

Are all of the bigots this ignorant?

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
“Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.”

I know that’s what it says I’m your women’s gender studies book. But that is an incorrect, made up definition

That link is from the World Health Organization, I’d say that they have more credibility than an anonymous bigot.

Of course you would. It still means nothing.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

You’re referring to sex.

Here you go:

No sweetheart I’m not. Sex, chromosomes and biology define a woman, which is simply an adult human female. There is no such thing as gender, except in the realm of languages

Are all of the bigots this ignorant?

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
“Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.”

I know that’s what it says I’m your women’s gender studies book. But that is an incorrect, made up definition

That link is from the World Health Organization, I’d say that they have more credibility than an anonymous bigot.

Of course you would. It still means nothing.

The original poster of this thread asked why we can't have discussions on topics such as this. Posters like you are the reason why. There is nothing to discuss with you. There is no evidence that can change your mind. Therefore, I would kindly ask that you withdraw from this discussion so that those with less closed minds can continue.