Question about the homophobia thread

[Anonymous]

Jeff, there’s just no dealing with this poster. I wouldn’t waste your time.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, there’s just no dealing with this poster. I wouldn’t waste your time.

Yeah, I have to turn my attention to other things anyway.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I quite sure OP here is also a member of the "I respect trans people but..." crowd. They're disappointed that they can't continue to "debate."

Wrong. Jeff can tell you that I am not one of those people. I fully support trans people and laws protecting them from discrimination, and have never made a hateful post about trans people or any other group.

[Anonymous]

there is a huge difference between being gay and being trans. my niece identifies as a trans male and after a few years of therapy, it was determined that she didnt want to be a girl because she went through puberty at a young age and was very uncomfortable with how her body changed. She didnt want boobs. she is now finishing her first year of college, as a woman and is so relieved to not have had any hormones or surgeries. she has always struggled with confidence and she is the first to tell anyone that most trans kids she knows have confidence issues. There are so many topics to explore when a child makes this type of announcement and you cant just jump on the bandwagon and support that decision because it isnt about feeling like you are in the wrong body for many of them. it is hard to find someone qualified to help a child through this process. Niece says that when her mom accepted her, she felt that she had given up on her.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

[Anonymous]

You're honest about your censorship rubric. I respect that. I'd rather you actually allow the debate, but people should know what is and isn't accepted as speech here, and then they can choose to go elsewhere to have conversations.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Can you please tell me how you can be so sure of my child's medical history?

I did not comment on your child's medical history. Your inability to accept them as trans is very clear and you repeatedly document the negative outcome of your lack of acceptance.

BTW, you refer to your child with male pronouns. Are those your kid's preferred pronouns?

You absolutely did. I bolded it. I asked you if you have access to my child's medical history, from childhood on. And if you have access to my child's interactions with his doctors and therapists. Because you are making a lot of accusations and assumptions without any data, if you don't.

I commented on your preference for viewing your child as mentally ill. Do you view your child's gender identity as a mental illness? Do you respect your child's gender identity in even the most basic way by using preferred pronouns? Everything you have written suggests that rather than providing your child support, you treat them as defective and mentally ill. Then, you blame others for your alienation.

NP. You’re not helping anyone’s case here. The PP clearly stated their child was diagnosed with mental health issues long before they identified as trans.

Right, but she has a reductive view of her child, only seeing her child as mentally ill and using that as an excuse to reject her child's trans identity. That has predictably resulted in alienation which she blames on everyone else. Moreover, she is extrapolating from that to justify calling all trans people mentally ill. That's why she got in this conversation which had nothing to do with her in the first place.

I have said NOTHING of the sort. I stated that my own child was diagnosed with OCD well prior to when this whole trans movement exploded. And has been diagnosed on the spectrum since early childhood. YOU seem to believe that this issue is black and white, that when a child states he/she is transgender, he/she definitely is. Some are, some aren't and there's a lot to unwrap with this issue, especially when there are previous mental health diagnosis. Since you do not have the full picture into MY child's particular situation, making your own 'diagnosis' is its own form of delusion. It shows the danger of activism in full view and demonstrates EXACTLY how some children are preyed upon. YOU, in your infinite leftist wisdom, has decided that MY child is transgender and that ME, as that child's PARENT, is clearly unfit to raise him. And you call conservatives tyrants? Wow.

"Well-intentioned" and "loving" parents used to send their kids to "pray the gay away camps" too. Just saying. Just because you gave birth to your child and love him/her on some level, doesn't mean you are doing right by them.

More assumptions. This is all you have - attacks and assumptions. If your child told you he had testicular cancer, would you seek a doctor's opinion and medical testing, or just lop them off because your child said he had cancer?

Well-intentioned and loving parents both listen to their children and seek out proper care. And that proper care is different for each child because each child has individual needs and issues. Groupthink and Groupspeak only serve to meet an agenda, not the individual child.

Using your analogy, if your child told you he had testicular cancer, you would go to a doctor, but then accuse the doctor of being a groomer if he agreed. Then, you would blame the cancer on mental health issues and activists.

A biopsy will show the presence of testicular cancer. Tell me what test is done to show someone is transgender?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

DP. Sounds to me like a parent having a hard time who needs someone to talk to and thought maybe a parenting message board might be the place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

DP. Sounds to me like a parent having a hard time who needs someone to talk to and thought maybe a parenting message board might be the place.

I’m not Jeff, but get real. The poster isn’t looking for someone to “talk to” unless the person agrees with her.

And the kid’s “pre-existing mental illness,” while tragic and sad, is a red herring. There are plenty of cisgendered people with mental illness, yet no one is saying that they identify as such because they’re mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

DP. Sounds to me like a parent having a hard time who needs someone to talk to and thought maybe a parenting message board might be the place.

I’m not Jeff, but get real. The poster isn’t looking for someone to “talk to” unless the person agrees with her.

And the kid’s “pre-existing mental illness,” while tragic and sad, is a red herring. There are plenty of cisgendered people with mental illness, yet no one is saying that they identify as such because they’re mentally ill.

It seems that you—and others here—aren’t, either. I get it. Not the place for this topic. But I feel for parents trying to navigate this. Not sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

DP. Sounds to me like a parent having a hard time who needs someone to talk to and thought maybe a parenting message board might be the place.

I’m not Jeff, but get real. The poster isn’t looking for someone to “talk to” unless the person agrees with her.

And the kid’s “pre-existing mental illness,” while tragic and sad, is a red herring. There are plenty of cisgendered people with mental illness, yet no one is saying that they identify as such because they’re mentally ill.

It seems that you—and others here—aren’t, either. I get it. Not the place for this topic. But I feel for parents trying to navigate this. Not sorry.

If you’re expecting clear thinking people to do anything other than encourage a poster to support and accept their child for who they are rather than try and change them into something they insist they are not then, yea, you’ve come to the wrong website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

DP. Sounds to me like a parent having a hard time who needs someone to talk to and thought maybe a parenting message board might be the place.

I’m not Jeff, but get real. The poster isn’t looking for someone to “talk to” unless the person agrees with her.

And the kid’s “pre-existing mental illness,” while tragic and sad, is a red herring. There are plenty of cisgendered people with mental illness, yet no one is saying that they identify as such because they’re mentally ill.

It seems that you—and others here—aren’t, either. I get it. Not the place for this topic. But I feel for parents trying to navigate this. Not sorry.

If you’re expecting clear thinking people to do anything other than encourage a poster to support and accept their child for who they are rather than try and change them into something they insist they are not then, yea, you’ve come to the wrong website.

I hope that someday you will recognize the cruelty that the well-intentioned affirmation-only medicalization model of managing gender dysphoria in young people has wrought for thousands of these kids and their families. The physical damage done by these experimental procedures will be looked at as a scandal on par with or exceeding that of lobotomies in the past.

[Anonymous]

If posters (including Jeff) do not have a transgender child or young adult, you have no expertise, therefore, no opinion on the matter. I do not, therefore, I don’t have the expertise to form an opinion. I do have a lifelong friend whose young adult is transitioning. All I can do is accept, support, and continue to respect what have been incredibly hard decisions for them. I feel for the poster in this thread whose child was diagnosed with OCD and other mental health challenges PRIOR to their identity issues. They are the parent. No one gets to wag a finger at them. I am a liberal, not a woke extremist. I am merely here to learn, not teach. Politicians need to back the hell off on all counts of bodily autonomy. Others should MYFB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

This poster has been posting repeatedly about her child. Her lack of support for the child is very clear. Rather than being supportive, she blames her child's mental health, "activists", doctors, therapists, and "the left". I suppose she could be correct about all of that, but I have my doubts.

DP. Sounds to me like a parent having a hard time who needs someone to talk to and thought maybe a parenting message board might be the place.

I’m not Jeff, but get real. The poster isn’t looking for someone to “talk to” unless the person agrees with her.

And the kid’s “pre-existing mental illness,” while tragic and sad, is a red herring. There are plenty of cisgendered people with mental illness, yet no one is saying that they identify as such because they’re mentally ill.

It seems that you—and others here—aren’t, either. I get it. Not the place for this topic. But I feel for parents trying to navigate this. Not sorry.

If you’re expecting clear thinking people to do anything other than encourage a poster to support and accept their child for who they are rather than try and change them into something they insist they are not then, yea, you’ve come to the wrong website.

+1

Jeff, thank you for eliminating so much of the anti-trans commentary.