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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

So a boob job is covered for trans women but not for bio women who are flat and just want bigger boobs?
Further circumcision shouldn’t be covered but breast reconstruction as a result of an illness should.

Correct. Boobs are deemed medically necessary for a male to "feel like a woman" but not medically necessary for a female to "feel like a women." Sexist, no?

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

They don't *completely* define a woman but they most certainly are part of the experience of being a woman.

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

Every woman has a different experience. My sister only experienced one of those things, briefly. Is she less of a woman?

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

Being transgender itself is not considered a mental illness but gender dysphoria is listed under the DSM 5. It replaced gender identity disorder. Gender dysphoria leads to psychological distress which may require an individual to seek medical intervention to treat (ex. hormones and surgery).

The question no one has been able to answer for sure is what causes someone to experience gender dysphoria. Does an individual feeling gender dysphoria really mean they are the opposite sex? Believing an opposite sex soul can be trapped inside a person's body is more of a spiritual belief. The wrong brain in the wrong body theory was pushed for while although it has been disproven by recent research once sexuality is accounted for. Researchers have noted differences in the part of the brain that deal with body perception. If this is true does it make gender dysphoria more in line with other conditions like body dysmorphia? The point is we don't know but a lot more research is needed as well as compassion for those dealing with gender dysphoria.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

No. It's not similar at all to settings like locker rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

That’s because being a woman is defined by chromosomes and biology- not “feelings.”

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

No. It's not similar at all to settings like locker rooms.

Still your assertion that nobody should every feel "jarred" or have something "unexpected" happen is not a valid reason.

Put forth a valid reason.

It's jarring for a kid with Tourette's to make noise, so.. get over it.
It was jarring to go to school, be in a locker room with black people ... so... get over it.

Give a real reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

No. It's not similar at all to settings like locker rooms.

Still your assertion that nobody should every feel "jarred" or have something "unexpected" happen is not a valid reason.

Put forth a valid reason.

It's jarring for a kid with Tourette's to make noise, so.. get over it.
It was jarring to go to school, be in a locker room with black people ... so... get over it.

Give a real reason.

Reason for what? Since I have consistently stated that I support the rights of trans people to access spaces that align with their gender identity, I have no idea what "reason" I would need to provide to an aggressive, argumentative person with limited reading comprehension abilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

No. It's not similar at all to settings like locker rooms.

Still your assertion that nobody should every feel "jarred" or have something "unexpected" happen is not a valid reason.

Put forth a valid reason.

It's jarring for a kid with Tourette's to make noise, so.. get over it.
It was jarring to go to school, be in a locker room with black people ... so... get over it.

Give a real reason.

You have garbage logic. Black people and people with disabilities are not inherently a threat to women. Stop implying women's instinctual need to protect themselves is the same as racism.

MEN are inherently a threat, due to biological realities across the animal kingdom. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but until men stop raping, beating and killing women, that is reality. It isn't on women to individually assess each male individual for threat level. It's exhausting. We just have to assume a threat.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it isn’t a mental health issue, it’s considered cosmetic and therefor should not be covered by insurance

Circumcision is covered, so is breast reconstruction, so is a million other things but we cover it. Why aren’t you outraged about that?

Breast reconstruction isn’t covered for women who mistakenly believed they were trans as teens and had mastectomies.

Way to miss the point. Reconstructions aren’t medically necessary for women who had cancer either. We cover them because we know how important it is for a woman to feel like a woman.

Because there is an obvious biological component to being a woman that induces certain feelings that no biological man could ever experience or imagine.

Was that your experience as a transgender woman?

Are you saying a trans woman knows what it feels like to menstruate? To go through post pardum depression? To have a miscarriage? To have hot flashes? Please explain.

I’m saying you have no idea what it’s like to be a transgender woman.

And FYI those experiences do not define women.

And what feelings exactly do trans women have that make them women? I get that this is an incendiary question but isn’t it a logical one?

Do you ask all women that question?

There are no universal “feelings” for being a woman.

Dp way to avoid answering the question!

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the explanation. I get it. I just wish there were somewhere we could discuss these issues in good faith. Changing minds requires changing identities and rethinking complicated long-held beliefs, which will never happen in a vacuum. Take the issue of trans people and locker rooms. For many people, it's not about hating trans people individually or as a group. Instead, their own concept of modesty makes them more comfortable around people whose bodies are similar to theirs. That's the way they have been conditioned. There is so much baked into those ideas about personal privacy that you can't scream "transphobe" at them and expect them to change immediately.

Because it doesn’t align with your view.

What does that even mean? What "view" are you talking about? Is it my "view" that for many women, changing in a Y locker room alongside a woman with an exposed penis may be jarring and unexpected? That's a factual statement. My view of good advocacy is that you acknowledge a certain level of discomfort that is expected when people are exposed to new situations while explaining why transgender people need access to spaces that align with their gender identity. Calling people names and telling them they are terrible people rarely creates allies.

Wasn't that also true for people that had to go to school with black people, that it was "jarring and unexpected"?

Oh good grief, are you really trying to make that lame and ridiculous (and insulting to black people) moral equivalency argument!?

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

Oh so we are just playing semantics now. Call it what you will. The surgery that transgender people is just as much healthcare as the mastectomies.

Mastectomies are performed to treat sick people (cancer) or to help prevent people from getting sick (cancer) And the latter is done when a genetic test comes back positive, causing a significantly increased chance of getting cancer