How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?

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Anonymous wrote:You can give your child another year of childhood and you have another year to save for college. Win/win.

This.

I was anti red shirt when my kids were younger (I am NOT the anti-red shirt poster). One DS went on-time with a summer birthday, which means he's a bit younger for his grade. Another DS went on-time but just two weeks after the cut-off. So, he's older than some of classmates but not those who red-shirted.

Now that my kids are in 5th and 8th respectively, I see that another year of at home before college isn't a bad thing at all. Those who were red-shirted might be more a little more mature for college. Who knows.

Wouldn’t a gap year then make sense and be more meaningful?

I’m a parent of a HS senior and the only kids I see taking gap years are those that are at risk of never going to college at all.

I don’t know any kids doing a “meaningful” gap year.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was just our generation. But a red shirted kid is someone who was held back because they failed or was a “problem” kid. It had no positive connotations.

And that’s still the case at my kids school. Any kid repeating is assumed to have failed. Of course no one is mean about it but kids don’t know what “redshirting” is. All they know is that so and so is not very smart. Absent severe learning disabilities or medical conditions/diagnoses, it’s lost on me why any parent would voluntarily “fail” their kid.

Are you in your 90s? Because I’m 40 and this was not uncommon when I was in school, and although I was not redshirted (I have a Feb birthday.) even as a 6 year old I understood it. Which you somehow seem not to, yet

I’m 42 and agree with the first poster. I can’t think of anyone growing up that was purposely redshirted. If anything, parents seemed to want to skip their academically advanced kids ahead back then. I knew of exactly one classmate that had to repeat an early grade and made it to the college bound/AP track (And he never liked to admit he was older than everyone else) The rest of the kids that were older had academic challenges to put it nicely.

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Anonymous wrote:You can give your child another year of childhood and you have another year to save for college. Win/win.

This.

I was anti red shirt when my kids were younger (I am NOT the anti-red shirt poster). One DS went on-time with a summer birthday, which means he's a bit younger for his grade. Another DS went on-time but just two weeks after the cut-off. So, he's older than some of classmates but not those who red-shirted.

Now that my kids are in 5th and 8th respectively, I see that another year of at home before college isn't a bad thing at all. Those who were red-shirted might be more a little more mature for college. Who knows.

Wouldn’t a gap year then make sense and be more meaningful?

I’m a parent of a HS senior and the only kids I see taking gap years are those that are at risk of never going to college at all.

I don’t know any kids doing a “meaningful” gap year.

Requests for gap years went up during Covid for sure. Our Cornell neighbor summer kid was granted one and she did premed stuff in an hospital and skied a lot those months.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Sure (although as a parent of older teens I think this is just not the issue you seem to think it is), but we have anti redshirters saying it is impossible for a redshirted kid to be 18 her entire senior year. Very basic math proves that wrong. The point is that they lack basic math skills which makes the rest of their arguments quite suspect.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was just our generation. But a red shirted kid is someone who was held back because they failed or was a “problem” kid. It had no positive connotations.

And that’s still the case at my kids school. Any kid repeating is assumed to have failed. Of course no one is mean about it but kids don’t know what “redshirting” is. All they know is that so and so is not very smart. Absent severe learning disabilities or medical conditions/diagnoses, it’s lost on me why any parent would voluntarily “fail” their kid.

Are you in your 90s? Because I’m 40 and this was not uncommon when I was in school, and although I was not redshirted (I have a Feb birthday.) even as a 6 year old I understood it. Which you somehow seem not to, yet

I’m 42 and agree with the first poster. I can’t think of anyone growing up that was purposely redshirted. If anything, parents seemed to want to skip their academically advanced kids ahead back then. I knew of exactly one classmate that had to repeat an early grade and made it to the college bound/AP track (And he never liked to admit he was older than everyone else) The rest of the kids that were older had academic challenges to put it nicely.

You must have gone to a pretty weak school. My academically rigorous high school in 1980s wasn’t anywhere near that depressing and cut-throat.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

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Anonymous wrote:You can give your child another year of childhood and you have another year to save for college. Win/win.

This.

I was anti red shirt when my kids were younger (I am NOT the anti-red shirt poster). One DS went on-time with a summer birthday, which means he's a bit younger for his grade. Another DS went on-time but just two weeks after the cut-off. So, he's older than some of classmates but not those who red-shirted.

Now that my kids are in 5th and 8th respectively, I see that another year of at home before college isn't a bad thing at all. Those who were red-shirted might be more a little more mature for college. Who knows.

Wouldn’t a gap year then make sense and be more meaningful?

I’m a parent of a HS senior and the only kids I see taking gap years are those that are at risk of never going to college at all.

I don’t know any kids doing a “meaningful” gap year.

Requests for gap years went up during Covid for sure. Our Cornell neighbor summer kid was granted one and she did premed stuff in an hospital and skied a lot those months.

Yes, Covid was one thing, but I don’t know any driven, good students doing them now. They are a prelude to dropping out now.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol okay. Keep telling yourself that.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was just our generation. But a red shirted kid is someone who was held back because they failed or was a “problem” kid. It had no positive connotations.

And that’s still the case at my kids school. Any kid repeating is assumed to have failed. Of course no one is mean about it but kids don’t know what “redshirting” is. All they know is that so and so is not very smart. Absent severe learning disabilities or medical conditions/diagnoses, it’s lost on me why any parent would voluntarily “fail” their kid.

Are you in your 90s? Because I’m 40 and this was not uncommon when I was in school, and although I was not redshirted (I have a Feb birthday.) even as a 6 year old I understood it. Which you somehow seem not to, yet

I’m 42 and agree with the first poster. I can’t think of anyone growing up that was purposely redshirted. If anything, parents seemed to want to skip their academically advanced kids ahead back then. I knew of exactly one classmate that had to repeat an early grade and made it to the college bound/AP track (And he never liked to admit he was older than everyone else) The rest of the kids that were older had academic challenges to put it nicely.

Huh. Where did you grow up? You must not have been anywhere near this area; It was very common, even then

Your classmate who had to repeat a grade is not what we’re talking about, at all. Do you understand the concept of redshirting?

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Sure (although as a parent of older teens I think this is just not the issue you seem to think it is), but we have anti redshirters saying it is impossible for a redshirted kid to be 18 her entire senior year. Very basic math proves that wrong. The point is that they lack basic math skills which makes the rest of their arguments quite suspect.

Yes you already said that in 20 posts.
Most don’t care about plus/minus one month bdays straddling the cutoff date. If you’re scared or unconfident, hold your 5 yo back. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Sure (although as a parent of older teens I think this is just not the issue you seem to think it is), but we have anti redshirters saying it is impossible for a redshirted kid to be 18 her entire senior year. Very basic math proves that wrong. The point is that they lack basic math skills which makes the rest of their arguments quite suspect.

Yes you already said that in 20 posts.
Most don’t care about plus/minus one month bdays straddling the cutoff date. If you’re scared or unconfident, hold your 5 yo back. Move on.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I am the only poster who has noticed how appallingly bad anti redshirters are at math. I am not. It is a common and well-known pattern on DCUM.

And my kids are older teens, as I said clearly. I guess math isn’t your only weak subject. Unfortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:You can give your child another year of childhood and you have another year to save for college. Win/win.

This.

I was anti red shirt when my kids were younger (I am NOT the anti-red shirt poster). One DS went on-time with a summer birthday, which means he's a bit younger for his grade. Another DS went on-time but just two weeks after the cut-off. So, he's older than some of classmates but not those who red-shirted.

Now that my kids are in 5th and 8th respectively, I see that another year of at home before college isn't a bad thing at all. Those who were red-shirted might be more a little more mature for college. Who knows.

Wouldn’t a gap year then make sense and be more meaningful?

I’m a parent of a HS senior and the only kids I see taking gap years are those that are at risk of never going to college at all.

I don’t know any kids doing a “meaningful” gap year.

Requests for gap years went up during Covid for sure. Our Cornell neighbor summer kid was granted one and she did premed stuff in an hospital and skied a lot those months.

Yes, Covid was one thing, but I don’t know any driven, good students doing them now. They are a prelude to dropping out now.

Same % as always, 6-8% defer a year w gap year. These are t20 schools.

Transfers after freshman year of college to T20 is another common college tactic. Heavily utilized by private schools around here. >5% of sidwell applies to another college during their freshman fall semester of college.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Sure (although as a parent of older teens I think this is just not the issue you seem to think it is), but we have anti redshirters saying it is impossible for a redshirted kid to be 18 her entire senior year. Very basic math proves that wrong. The point is that they lack basic math skills which makes the rest of their arguments quite suspect.

Yes you already said that in 20 posts.
Most don’t care about plus/minus one month bdays straddling the cutoff date. If you’re scared or unconfident, hold your 5 yo back. Move on.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I am the only poster who has noticed how appallingly bad anti redshirters are at math. I am not. It is a common and well-known pattern on DCUM.

And my kids are older teens, as I said clearly. I guess math isn’t your only weak subject. Unfortunate.

Stop repeating yourself. I don’t care about Aug vs sept and a sept 1 cutoff. Move on.