How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Uber isn't supposed to take minors, under 18.

In high school many classes, especially electives and math are often mixed.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

Lol indeed. I have the data and I’ve seen the many years of students.

If anything Asians think K-8 academics are a joke in this country and would never consider holding their kids back “to be bigger and more organized.”

They would laugh so hard at that notion. Unfathomable.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Uber isn't supposed to take minors, under 18.

In high school many classes, especially electives and math are often mixed.

Honors track sophomores in physics or chemistry with regular track juniors don’t apply to college in the same application year.
Isn’t that the big leg up to supposedly redshirting or reclassing or holding back your kid? Make them more competitive versus others or their immature last year version?

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

Lol indeed. I have the data and I’ve seen the many years of students.

If anything Asians think K-8 academics are a joke in this country and would never consider holding their kids back “to be bigger and more organized.”

They would laugh so hard at that notion. Unfathomable.

Here, I’ll do your work for you. This is from a Brookings Institute study:

“Redshirting rates also differ by race and ethnicity. White families were about twice as likely to redshirt their kindergarteners than Black and Hispanic families. Nearly eight percent (7.8 percent) of white students and 6.4 percent of Asian students were redshirted, compared to 3.5 percent of Black students and 4.0 percent of Hispanic students. In general, the children currently most likely to be redshirted are not lagging academically. In fact, the children who are redshirted have slightly higher reading and math scores, prior to starting school, than their peers who entered on time.“

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/amp/

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

Lol indeed. I have the data and I’ve seen the many years of students.

If anything Asians think K-8 academics are a joke in this country and would never consider holding their kids back “to be bigger and more organized.”

They would laugh so hard at that notion. Unfathomable.

And they do laugh at it.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

Lol indeed. I have the data and I’ve seen the many years of students.

If anything Asians think K-8 academics are a joke in this country and would never consider holding their kids back “to be bigger and more organized.”

They would laugh so hard at that notion. Unfathomable.

Here, I’ll do your work for you. This is from a Brookings Institute study:

“Redshirting rates also differ by race and ethnicity. White families were about twice as likely to redshirt their kindergarteners than Black and Hispanic families. Nearly eight percent (7.8 percent) of white students and 6.4 percent of Asian students were redshirted, compared to 3.5 percent of Black students and 4.0 percent of Hispanic students. In general, the children currently most likely to be redshirted are not lagging academically. In fact, the children who are redshirted have slightly higher reading and math scores, prior to starting school, than their peers who entered on time.“

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/amp/

Do you truly think that the anti-redshirt posters who can’t handle elementary-level math can understand statistical analysis from Brookings?

I think you are going to break the brain of the poor deluded PP you are responding to.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Uber isn't supposed to take minors, under 18.

In high school many classes, especially electives and math are often mixed.

Honors track sophomores in physics or chemistry with regular track juniors don’t apply to college in the same application year.
Isn’t that the big leg up to supposedly redshirting or reclassing or holding back your kid? Make them more competitive versus others or their immature last year version?

With math there is a huge spread and a 9th grader in precalculus would take it with 10-11th graders. Same with electives, especially for test in classes like music and arts. My child in 9th took music with seniors.

Younger kids are not immature. They are age appropriate as they are younger.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Sure (although as a parent of older teens I think this is just not the issue you seem to think it is), but we have anti redshirters saying it is impossible for a redshirted kid to be 18 her entire senior year. Very basic math proves that wrong. The point is that they lack basic math skills which makes the rest of their arguments quite suspect.

Yes you already said that in 20 posts.
Most don’t care about plus/minus one month bdays straddling the cutoff date. If you’re scared or unconfident, hold your 5 yo back. Move on.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I am the only poster who has noticed how appallingly bad anti redshirters are at math. I am not. It is a common and well-known pattern on DCUM.

And my kids are older teens, as I said clearly. I guess math isn’t your only weak subject. Unfortunate.

Stop repeating yourself. I don’t care about Aug vs sept and a sept 1 cutoff. Move on.

You do or you would not be posting.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Np.

I don’t think the issue is kids born one month before cutoff and holding back summer boy, the generally are more immature and this is better for everyone in the class frankly. Better behavior and focus.

The issue - which NY make strict collars on the 12-15 months allowed per grade, including starting K as a 4 yo technically - is when the redshirting creeps up and up. To June and may bdays. And March and April bdays. And then there is an 18 month span of kids and not 12 within a classroom. Or worse, a gap of no kids from April- august and thus 40% of the class is starting at the age they were supposed to turn during the year at the first day of class. Then the whole social dynamic come middle school with its range of puberty fun and growth spurts is further magnified. High school it might be less so.

And last I read 50% of teens in the dmv don’t get their license even by age 17. It’s crazy driving around here and Uber works fine.

Uber isn't supposed to take minors, under 18.

In high school many classes, especially electives and math are often mixed.

Honors track sophomores in physics or chemistry with regular track juniors don’t apply to college in the same application year.
Isn’t that the big leg up to supposedly redshirting or reclassing or holding back your kid? Make them more competitive versus others or their immature last year version?

With math there is a huge spread and a 9th grader in precalculus would take it with 10-11th graders. Same with electives, especially for test in classes like music and arts. My child in 9th took music with seniors.

Younger kids are not immature. They are age appropriate as they are younger.

Hence when we hold our kids back they will be less immature than yours due to brain development over time and generally do better in class and sports.
Private school and public school parents do hold backs. It’s the gift of time! And confidence building for the kid to be older, a leader, a winner in the classroom and on the field.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

Lol indeed. I have the data and I’ve seen the many years of students.

If anything Asians think K-8 academics are a joke in this country and would never consider holding their kids back “to be bigger and more organized.”

They would laugh so hard at that notion. Unfathomable.

Here, I’ll do your work for you. This is from a Brookings Institute study:

“Redshirting rates also differ by race and ethnicity. White families were about twice as likely to redshirt their kindergarteners than Black and Hispanic families. Nearly eight percent (7.8 percent) of white students and 6.4 percent of Asian students were redshirted, compared to 3.5 percent of Black students and 4.0 percent of Hispanic students. In general, the children currently most likely to be redshirted are not lagging academically. In fact, the children who are redshirted have slightly higher reading and math scores, prior to starting school, than their peers who entered on time.“

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/amp/

DP. Thanks for sharing, that’s a really interesting article. I think so much of the 2021 data is skewed from covid related actions, and it will be interesting to see the demographics including socioeconomic status of redshirt families in the next few years and how that changes.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

Call up Churchill, Blair or Tj and ask yourself. It’s negligible, often none.

Asians would be embarassed to redshirt their kids.

They’re the families trying to get their sept/oct/Nov kid to test in to K as late 4 yo.

Redshirting is a USA white boy thing.

Lol. You are clearly out of touch

Lol indeed. I have the data and I’ve seen the many years of students.

If anything Asians think K-8 academics are a joke in this country and would never consider holding their kids back “to be bigger and more organized.”

They would laugh so hard at that notion. Unfathomable.

Here, I’ll do your work for you. This is from a Brookings Institute study:

“Redshirting rates also differ by race and ethnicity. White families were about twice as likely to redshirt their kindergarteners than Black and Hispanic families. Nearly eight percent (7.8 percent) of white students and 6.4 percent of Asian students were redshirted, compared to 3.5 percent of Black students and 4.0 percent of Hispanic students. In general, the children currently most likely to be redshirted are not lagging academically. In fact, the children who are redshirted have slightly higher reading and math scores, prior to starting school, than their peers who entered on time.“

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/amp/

Do you truly think that the anti-redshirt posters who can’t handle elementary-level math can understand statistical analysis from Brookings?

I think you are going to break the brain of the poor deluded PP you are responding to.

You misspoke. The red-shirters cannot do math; hence, the need to be held back.

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Of course most redshirters have a higher socioeconomic status. That's just common sense - they can afford another year of preschool or daycare (or another year of a SAHM.) As the parent of two non-redshirted kids, it doesn't bother me. I don't find the redshirted kids to be any more or less impressive. They don't stand out either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course most redshirters have a higher socioeconomic status. That's just common sense - they can afford another year of preschool or daycare (or another year of a SAHM.) As the parent of two non-redshirted kids, it doesn't bother me. I don't find the redshirted kids to be any more or less impressive. They don't stand out either way.

They do at my child’s school. They are noticeably bigger and have hair on their faces. Some are two bdays ahead because not only are they redshirted, but they have bdays that are in early spring. Which puts them that much older than kids who are in the correct grade. It is so awkward and embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course most redshirters have a higher socioeconomic status. That's just common sense - they can afford another year of preschool or daycare (or another year of a SAHM.) As the parent of two non-redshirted kids, it doesn't bother me. I don't find the redshirted kids to be any more or less impressive. They don't stand out either way.

What grades are your children in? The boys definitely stand out when puberty hits them
before the non redshirted children.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course most redshirters have a higher socioeconomic status. That's just common sense - they can afford another year of preschool or daycare (or another year of a SAHM.) As the parent of two non-redshirted kids, it doesn't bother me. I don't find the redshirted kids to be any more or less impressive. They don't stand out either way.

They do at my child’s school. They are noticeably bigger and have hair on their faces. Some are two bdays ahead because not only are they redshirted, but they have bdays that are in early spring. Which puts them that much older than kids who are in the correct grade. It is so awkward and embarrassing.

You are awkward and embarrassing for speaking that way about children.