How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was just our generation. But a red shirted kid is someone who was held back because they failed or was a “problem” kid. It had no positive connotations.

And that’s still the case at my kids school. Any kid repeating is assumed to have failed. Of course no one is mean about it but kids don’t know what “redshirting” is. All they know is that so and so is not very smart. Absent severe learning disabilities or medical conditions/diagnoses, it’s lost on me why any parent would voluntarily “fail” their kid.

You’re not at a very good school, then. 🤷‍♀️

Of course, if it makes you feel better to think that.

It’s plainly true. I know no good schools with that regressive approach to education.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was just our generation. But a red shirted kid is someone who was held back because they failed or was a “problem” kid. It had no positive connotations.

And that’s still the case at my kids school. Any kid repeating is assumed to have failed. Of course no one is mean about it but kids don’t know what “redshirting” is. All they know is that so and so is not very smart. Absent severe learning disabilities or medical conditions/diagnoses, it’s lost on me why any parent would voluntarily “fail” their kid.

You’re not at a very good school, then. 🤷‍♀️

Of course, if it makes you feel better to think that.

It’s plainly true. I know no good schools with that regressive approach to education.

+1 why would you want your kids at a school where their classmates act like that?!

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A lot of parents do it to give their kids an advantage in sports. When she turns 16 she’ll be the first of her friends to drive - they’ll love her! When gets to college she’ll wish she wasn’t so she’d be done already and starting her life.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

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Maybe I am missing something but it seems like you could very easily have a situation where both red-shirted and non-redshirted kids are 18 for the full academic year as seniors. This is a fictional example (not my kids) but doesn’t seem unusual or strange to me.

Cutoff date: Aug 1
First day of school: Sept 1.
Child 1, redshirted, born July 30th. If not redshirted, would have been one of the youngest and would have been 17 all of senior year.
Child 2, not redshirted, born Aug 15. Turns 18 before school starts as one of the oldest in the class.

Both will be 18 for their entire senior year.

Unless my math is off? Am I missing something? It seems pretty straightforward to me.

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With our district cut off of Oct 1st, my redshirted DS will even start his senior year as 17 yo. Not old at all.

Him and his 2 friends that have bdays within 3 weeks of each other with a cutoff date Oct 1st :

Friend A: mid Sept bday. Not redshirted. Will start his senior year as a 16yo and will turn 17 about a month in.

DS: late Sept bday. Redshirted. Will start his senior year as a 17yo and will turn 18 about a month in.

Friend B: early Oct bday. Not redshirted. Same as DS, will start his senior year as a 17yo and will turn 18 about a month in.

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Anonymous wrote:Over the summer, we are moving to DC with my daughter who was born in late August. She did a private play-based mixed-age kindergarten in our current location. Because of some attention issues, we did a neuropsych and she was diagnosed with ADHD. She is bright, but very inattentive (e.g. lots of day dreaming, very distracted).

I would like to "redshirt" and have her repeat K. I think my kid would be fine academically in either grade, but with her ADHD, I think she'd do better over time as an older kid. Plus she's small for her age and likely will stay small-ish (petite parents).

Logistics of dealing with DCPS aside, I would love to hear from parents of older kids who were redshirted. Were there negative social consequences to being a bit older (e.g. my kid would turn 6 the week before kindergarten, 7 the week before 1st grade, etc.)? Is there anything you regret about redshirting?

Again, I get that it might not be feasible, but before I figure that out, I'd like to hear from parents who redshirted kids. Do your kids mind being a bit older than their classmates? Do they even notice? My husband thinks this is a huge deal, so I figured I'd ask for others' experiences.

At such a young age it’s not a big deal to repeat K.

If we were talking grade 3 and up and I clear academic or behavioral issues, maybe don’t do it.

And adhd will need special supports regardless of being in the older half of the grade or not.

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

This, even if changing schools or moving don’t repeat and upper elementary grade unless bigger issues going on

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it was just our generation. But a red shirted kid is someone who was held back because they failed or was a “problem” kid. It had no positive connotations.

And that’s still the case at my kids school. Any kid repeating is assumed to have failed. Of course no one is mean about it but kids don’t know what “redshirting” is. All they know is that so and so is not very smart. Absent severe learning disabilities or medical conditions/diagnoses, it’s lost on me why any parent would voluntarily “fail” their kid.

Are you in your 90s? Because I’m 40 and this was not uncommon when I was in school, and although I was not redshirted (I have a Feb birthday.) even as a 6 year old I understood it. Which you somehow seem not to, yet

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I am missing something but it seems like you could very easily have a situation where both red-shirted and non-redshirted kids are 18 for the full academic year as seniors. This is a fictional example (not my kids) but doesn’t seem unusual or strange to me.

Cutoff date: Aug 1
First day of school: Sept 1.
Child 1, redshirted, born July 30th. If not redshirted, would have been one of the youngest and would have been 17 all of senior year.
Child 2, not redshirted, born Aug 15. Turns 18 before school starts as one of the oldest in the class.

Both will be 18 for their entire senior year.

Unless my math is off? Am I missing something? It seems pretty straightforward to me.

You are right; you are missing nothing. The crazy (and apparently old) anti redshirting lady is lacking in basic common sense

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Anonymous wrote:In my DD's friend group (9th grade) there are 4 girls who are redshirted. No one cares.

My observation as a parent of a teenager with ADHD - redshirting your kid will help. After about 3rd grade, my son was 6 - 18 months behind in the executive functioning elements. Middle school through the beginning of 11th grade was really hard as all the conversations were about completing homework and things that were not done in class. Now at the end of 11th grade I have a kid who has survived a lot of challenges - and I wish it did not need to be that hard for him. He is really smart - but our school is not about being smart - it is about delivering assignments the way the teachers want them.

Kids care and talk. Don't kid yourself.

DP - not at all. I have 4 kids - Redshirting is so common these days. Kids don’t care. If a student repeats 4th grade or something, it will be noticed

It's common in families like yours where you have too many kids to meet their individual needs so you take the easy road vs. the best for the child road. Maybe you young kids don't care but it gets pretty obvious when a senior is 19 all of senior year. Or, a 16 year old freshman is driving.

Huh. My redshirted summer boy will be 18 all senior year just like his non redshirted sister with a September birthday. Same thing.

How is this possible???? My non-redshirted Sep birthday kid turned 18 the first week of college.

Might be different cutoffs (September 1 versus September 30)?

Then pp should state her kid went to schools with different cutoffs, otherwise it's not possible.

Sep 1 cutoff is very common. All around the country. Your freshman will know this.

If the cutoff is Sep 1 and her dd has a Sept bday, it wouldn't be common to hold a child back if they were the oldest in the class. So, her comment that her DD "wasn't redshirted" made it sound like she was in DCPS because Sept bdays would more often be held back. Again, if the cutoff is Sep 1 her daughter would be 18 all year. A summer bday, as suggested by her other kid, would be 19.

I'm not arguing either for/against. I'm asking someone to make a claim to make it make sense.

Do you really not understand how it is possible for a redshirted kid to be 18 all of senior year as well as a non-redshirted kid?

+1 why are the anti-redshirters So.Bad.at.math?!

We live in Maryland. The cutoff is September 1st.

My redshirted son is a high school junior. August 30th, 2005. He will turn 18 right around the first day of his senior year. He will turn 19 two months AFTER he graduates. My daughter is a NON-redshirted 8th grader. September 29th, 2008. She will turn 18 about a month into her senior year of high school and thus be 18 for the vast majority of it- just like her brother.

Summer redshirts are not 19 at any point in high school. Unless they're early-mid June birthdays. But I don't think that's very common. My experience is that it's mostly August bdays that are redshirted, sometimes July, and those kids turn 19 AFTER they graduate. A summer birthday who is 19 as a senior would have been "double redshirted."

Idk but it is a constant theme of these threads. People who are opposed to redshirting cannot do even basic math. I’ve wondered before if that is why they are so bizarre: they lack some common capabilities.

Haha we posted basically the same thing at the same time. Agree! It’s…odd

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish all the anti-red shirting posters would drop the pretense of concern for the welfare of others’ redshirted children and just be honest: you are concerned about your own non-redshirted kids having to compete in school and later in life with redshirted kids, whom you perceive to have an advantage.

Your concern is reasonable. They probably do have an advantage. It’s so tiresome and pathetic to see all these posts about kids being bored, how awful it will be to drive before your peers, etc.

Just own your concern that the redshirting trend is leading to inequality.

My spouse and alumni interview for York HS, Whitman HS and Blair magnet kids for our alma mater.

There are some very impressive kids and CVs at age 17/18. We actually see more on the younger side if a summer birthday than on the older side. We’ve never seen redshirting with non-whites. We have seen certain cultures who must have started young in private or tested to start K slightly under age 5.

Redshirting just seems like something worried parents do and hope it makes a difference. No one will really know either way.

The Asian rate of redshirting isn’t all that different from the white rate according to the limited studies out there. Is your husband biased against Asians?

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Anonymous wrote:You can give your child another year of childhood and you have another year to save for college. Win/win.

This.

I was anti red shirt when my kids were younger (I am NOT the anti-red shirt poster). One DS went on-time with a summer birthday, which means he's a bit younger for his grade. Another DS went on-time but just two weeks after the cut-off. So, he's older than some of classmates but not those who red-shirted.

Now that my kids are in 5th and 8th respectively, I see that another year of at home before college isn't a bad thing at all. Those who were red-shirted might be more a little more mature for college. Who knows.

Wouldn’t a gap year then make sense and be more meaningful?