Fetterman - Oz Debate — anyone keeping tabs on this?

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares that Oz is as big a forced birther fascist as the rest of the GOP?

Don't forget puppy killer.

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Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Did you say the same thing about Melania or Ivanka?

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Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Did you say the same thing about Melania or Ivanka?

Ivanka's husband is completely fit physically, so not sure why that's a question. And so is Melania's, more or less. Overweight, definitely, and probably too old to be keeping the pace that he is, but she is not pushing him forward for her own political interests, no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Did you say the same thing about Melania or Ivanka?

Ivanka's husband is completely fit physically, so not sure why that's a question. And so is Melania's, more or less. Overweight, definitely, and probably too old to be keeping the pace that he is, but she is not pushing him forward for her own political interests, no.

DP. Neither are Jill or whatever-her-name-is.

What a strange take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Did you say the same thing about Melania or Ivanka?

DP. I have no opinion on Fetterman's wife but I was of the opinion back in the spring that Fetterman should have dropped out. He shouldn't be the Lt. Governor in his position let alone running for U.S. Senator.

Even then I pointed out a stroke victim is not the person we need in the U.S. Senate and all the Fetterman-acolytes said 'he's a man of the people!'. Great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Did you say the same thing about Melania or Ivanka?

Ivanka's husband is completely fit physically, so not sure why that's a question. And so is Melania's, more or less. Overweight, definitely, and probably too old to be keeping the pace that he is, but she is not pushing him forward for her own political interests, no.

DP. Neither are Jill or whatever-her-name-is.

What a strange take.

Oh, yes they are. Both of them.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/21/who-is-running-for-senate-john-fetterman-or-his-wife/

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The question at the end really bothered me. Eagles vs. Steelers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PA Dems made a big mistake by not replacing Fetterman after his stroke. I have personal empathy for Fetterman and his family, but the man should have withdrawn. Slurring some speech and mashing together a few words are one thing. Speaking nonsensical answers (even if one's brain is processing the information correctly) is another. PA is not a blue state in which a Dem candidate can win simply by breathing. I dislike Oz for a number of reasons, but I fear many voters came away from the debate thinking Oz is really the only viable candidate for office.

Because he is. And if Dem leadership (national) wasn't so blind - they would have pulled him out when that stroke happened or weeks later when it was very clear he was not recovering. They were so focused on pushing a revived potential BBB with an extra 1-2 Senators, they lost the Senate itself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Aphasia is not a "severe cognitive impairment," you shameless liar.

And that is so offensive. I had a stroke when I was 35 (35!). My speech was, yeah, it was bad for awhile, but my cognitive functioning remained the same. This whole thread is kind of disgusting and full of misinformation. Makes me sad.

Then, you - of all people - should know that strokes affect different people differently.
We have no idea if his cognitive functioning remains unaffected. He has not released his medical records and the only information he has released is from a single doctor who claims he is able to serve. Perhaps physically this is true, but voters want to know if he will be able to engage in rigorous debate, make decisions on votes independently, and work with other Senators to get work done. Or, as another poster stated, will he simply be able to "press the button he's told to press." That is NOT what being a Senator means.

Democratic voters in PA should be pissed. The Fetterman campaign withheld the seriousness of his condition DURING THE PRIMARY. They knew voters would not want to send a candidate whose cognitive condition is unknown to the Senate. So, they kept his condition secret and didn't disclose the seriousness of his health until they were essentially forced to.
If this is what we can expect from a "Senator Fetterman," then voters in PA should reject him.

DP. Are you asking for his MRI image? What exactly do you think his "medical records" will tell us?

DP. As a matter of fact, yes. After last night's debacle, I think the Democrats of PA need to demand more information. The party has clearly been hiding Fetterman and now they know why. I think it should be made transparent once and for all what serious and probably permanent effects he suffered from the May 13 stroke, as well as what other health issues (afib/ obesity) he may be dealing with. He is a public figure who is seeking to represent 13 million people in the US Senate.

No one has been “hiding Fetterman.” He’s been doing interviews and campaign events.

No, not really. Certainly no national interviews. And all of the "events" listed on his web site are virtual. Why is that?

He’s actually done quite a few but they’ve all been utter disasters man’s then media have largely ignores that and given him a pass. I get that there were evangelical nuts who held their nose and voted for trump but who in good conscience could vote for a candidate who through no fault of his own is entirely unfit for the job.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I honestly don’t get what all the fuss is. I watched it and was expecting someone drooling and barely understandable. Instead I saw someone who stumbles over words. I’d still rather have that than the slimy grifter Oz.

None of my friends in PA (a lot of them, I have a lot of connections there) are voting for Oz and their minds didn’t change post debate. They don’t want a carpetbagger.

Good for them for staying “true to the gang”

Unlike those unprincipled New Yorkers. They had the gall to put carpetbagger Hillary Rodham Clinton into one of their senate seats, even though she had no ties to that state at all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was painful to watch.

It was no where near as bad as these people on twitter are making it out to be
Yes he stumbled a little more than the average politician during a debate but all things considered having had a stroke not long ago he did really well

Nonetheless no I wouldn’t vote for him at this time. Having a stroke has physical and cognitive side effects. It is possible that with the passage of time both improve but it’s not a given. There is also quite a bit of follow up medical appts and monitoring. And once a person has a stroke they are far more likely to suffer another. He needs to put time and effort into healing and that is where his energy will eventually be needed. He can continue to push himself but he will likely burn out it worse suffer another stroke. I know someone who struggled with aphasia after a stroke. It took a few months to get back to a level where he didn’t have to struggle for the most common words and about a year out, he only struggled if he became very tired. It didn’t go away completely it just improved.

Members of Congress get cancer and go out for months for treatment & recovery….including multiple bouts of cancer. Steve Scalise was shot and out of commission for months. Tons of members of congress have serious medical conditions that require ongoing care, including Senator McConnell.

Fetterman will be fine and improve with time. He will have doctors in both DC and PA helping with ongoing speech therapy.

This is truly a nothingburger. The guy isn’t a vegetable, he can think and write. Debate and speech is mostly dead in the Senate.

There is no way to know today if that is true. Even his doctors aren't going to tell him that for sure. It's not a definite. He might not improve and all the speech therapy in the world won't make a difference.

It's definitely not a nothingburger. It is a real issue.

It's not a "speech therapy" issue. It is severe cognitive impairment, as a result of the stroke. All I can say is that Mrs. Fetterman is another Mrs. Biden - power hungry women who will literally throw their husbands to the wolves, just for a chance to be in power.

Did you say the same thing about Melania or Ivanka?

Ivanka's husband is completely fit physically, so not sure why that's a question. And so is Melania's, more or less. Overweight, definitely, and probably too old to be keeping the pace that he is, but she is not pushing him forward for her own political interests, no.

DP. Neither are Jill or whatever-her-name-is.

What a strange take.

Oh, yes they are. Both of them.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/21/who-is-running-for-senate-john-fetterman-or-his-wife/

+100

Dr Jill and Gisele Fetterman are two ghoulish puppet masters

[Anonymous]

GOP trolls are out in force. First, they predicted Hilary was dying & cognitively impaired (or even dead with a body double acting as her), Biden was also cognitively impaired..., now Fettermen.

Can you trolls, ever rest?

[Anonymous]

I donated $100 to Fetterman this morning.

Thanks for the inspiration, trolls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I donated $100 to Fetterman this morning.

Thanks for the inspiration, trolls.

Nice waste of your money. A) He's rolling in dough - that's not going to change anything about his cognitive capacity and unlike 2020, Oz isn't Trump and B) there was a lot of money wasted in places like Alaska, Maine, and Kentucky for the same reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOP trolls are out in force. First, they predicted Hilary was dying & cognitively impaired (or even dead with a body double acting as her), Biden was also cognitively impaired..., now Fettermen.

Can you trolls, ever rest?

DEM here - I never believed either. I do think we could do better than people who are declining in health - mentally or physically. No more stroke victims please. Where is our new Obama (the man, not the woman)?