Two children killed by family pet

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At this point I have difficulty understanding why a breed ban is met with opposition. A ban would not mean euthanizing all pit bulls and animal control will move door-to-door killing your dog. No, it would be a systemic eradication of breeding. Your dog would be required to get neutered/ neutered. It would take time and any dog with a percentage of pit bull in it should be required to be neutered/ spayed. It is not cruel or inhumane. I'd argue that it is cruel to continue on this path - the breed is constantly abused by bad actors, leaving dogs in shelters to live joyless lives of little human contact and neurosis. Animal shelters are overcrowded and pit bulls are the most common breed in animal shelters. This problem will continue to perpetuate.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point I have difficulty understanding why a breed ban is met with opposition. A ban would not mean euthanizing all pit bulls and animal control will move door-to-door killing your dog. No, it would be a systemic eradication of breeding. Your dog would be required to get neutered/ neutered. It would take time and any dog with a percentage of pit bull in it should be required to be neutered/ spayed. It is not cruel or inhumane. I'd argue that it is cruel to continue on this path - the breed is constantly abused by bad actors, leaving dogs in shelters to live joyless lives of little human contact and neurosis. Animal shelters are overcrowded and pit bulls are the most common breed in animal shelters. This problem will continue to perpetuate.

If we could do it for pit bulls we could do it for all dogs. It’s just not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

Pit bulls are just the same physically as any other dog
In fact their bite pressure is not as high as other dogs. If your friend's dog was that bad than the doggy day care would not want him there. Maybe the dog doesn't like you.

Sorry, this is nuts. Pit bulls are big and strong and high energy, like a German shepherd or a Dalmatian. They’re overpowered to be family pets. The difference is there are tons of them, most bred irresponsibly.

They also have a very high prey drive. I think the idea of being "breed agnostic" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I encountered a loose pit mix on the street recently while walking my dog and honestly it felt scary in a way that I haven't experienced. That dog was super interested in us in an aggressive way. I yelled for him to get away several times and he'd back off for a few seconds and then start to approach again. Fortunately (for us) he saw another dog walker and ran in their direction. I heard later that he attacked that person's dog after the person brought him home.

The prey drive and gameness is a feature, not a bug. I will never understand how people don't get this. It's genetics! A pit attacking and killing small children is literally fulfilling its genetic destiny.

Retrievers. So they retriever, right? Correct.
Herders. They herd? Yes.
Pitbulls? Oh, they're just a blank slate, it's all in how you raise them.

Get out of town with that BS.

Exactly! We have a beagle and the first week we had her I thought her front leg was hurt. She would go outside freeze and then raise her right paw. I thought it must hurt her to walk on it. When I told my husband I think he brought home a hurt dog, he laughed because that hunting instinct has been bred into Beagles and the pup was doing a "hunter pose". She is now 5 and we have never taken her hunting but on walks if she sniffs rabbits she goes wild with excitement and will still do a hunters pose. Our neighbor's collie has nipped their child on a walk when he didn't keep up with the group.

Why would Pitt bulls be any different?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

You are actually incorrect. I am not a fan of, or advocate for, pit bulls in any way. But spreading misinformation does not help your cause. There are many factors that contribute to the Pit Bull's deadliness (the breeding and what is done with them/what they are bred for), but their bite force is not the predominant factor. Nobody is trying to ban German Shepherds, Mastiffs, etc all of which have a stronger bite.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

You are actually incorrect. I am not a fan of, or advocate for, pit bulls in any way. But spreading misinformation does not help your cause. There are many factors that contribute to the Pit Bull's deadliness (the breeding and what is done with them/what they are bred for), but their bite force is not the predominant factor. Nobody is trying to ban German Shepherds, Mastiffs, etc all of which have a stronger bite.

Forgot the link. https://petkeen.com/dogs-with-the-strongest-bite-force/

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

You are actually incorrect. I am not a fan of, or advocate for, pit bulls in any way. But spreading misinformation does not help your cause. There are many factors that contribute to the Pit Bull's deadliness (the breeding and what is done with them/what they are bred for), but their bite force is not the predominant factor. Nobody is trying to ban German Shepherds, Mastiffs, etc all of which have a stronger bite.

Forgot the link. https://petkeen.com/dogs-with-the-strongest-bite-force/

Wasn't the point about locking on and not letting go, not the physics of F = m * a.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A ban is a stupid idea. People can choose whatever dog they want to and live with the consequences.

We insist that people who ride motorcycles wear helmets and that people who drive automobiles wear seatbelts. Laws like these reduce injuries and permanent disability which mostly get paid for by taxpayers - brain damaged physically disabled accident victims are almost always collectors of SSDI for the rest of the their lives.

Do you have any idea the disabilities caused by a severe dog mauling? Including up to and beyond million dollar hospital bills for extensive surgeries and physical therapy.

The public has a concerted interest in regulating killer dog breeds, even if some parents are willing to sacrifice their babies’ lives to owning such savages.

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Anonymous wrote:While there are only 45 deaths a year, there are 30,000 people requiring reconstructive surgery due to dog bites, and another 350,000 who went to the ED needing medical care post bite. Those people can also be physically and psychologically impacted. There are 4.5 million dog bites per year.

Pit bulls do more damage because they go for the face and eyes, they bit and attack multiple places on the body, and they create more complex wounds. They are responsible for about 65% of all injuries.

While dying is the worst outcome, losing part of your face and surviving is still pretty bad.

The breed is the issue. Across settings, pit bulls by far do the most harm. A ban on pit bulls would end 65% of the injuries and deaths.

Would it? Or would those people who own and breed those dogs irresponsibly just switch to a different breed? There are a lot of strong dog breeds out there--Dogo, Cane Corso, Rottweilers, Germans Shepherds, Mastiffs to name a few. If they were bred like the pitbulls post-ban, would they eventually become the same?

(btw, I'm not a pitbull fan at all. just genuinely wondering how pitbulls became like that)

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

You are actually incorrect. I am not a fan of, or advocate for, pit bulls in any way. But spreading misinformation does not help your cause. There are many factors that contribute to the Pit Bull's deadliness (the breeding and what is done with them/what they are bred for), but their bite force is not the predominant factor. Nobody is trying to ban German Shepherds, Mastiffs, etc all of which have a stronger bite.

Forgot the link. https://petkeen.com/dogs-with-the-strongest-bite-force/

Wasn't the point about locking on and not letting go, not the physics of F = m * a.

I gather you don't understand physics. Also, from the website:

There are many myths and a ton of misinformation surrounding the controversial issue of dog bites. You may have heard things like Chihuahuas are the breed most likely to bite (impossible to say) or that Pit Bulls have locking jaws (absolutely not true).

That misinformation continues when it comes to the force that various dog breeds can bite with. You’ll hear that one breed or another has the strongest bite — Pit Bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are the usual suspects — or you’ll hear seemingly incredible figures listed for just how hard those pups can chomp down.

Here, we look at which breeds actually bite the hardest and just how hard (measured in pounds per square inch, or psi) that they can bite.

[Anonymous]

Here’s a resource with information on what to do if a pit bull attacks.

https://www.animals24-7.org/2022/03/11/how-to-protect-yourself-others-your-dog-from-a-pit-bull-attack-2022/

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

You are actually incorrect. I am not a fan of, or advocate for, pit bulls in any way. But spreading misinformation does not help your cause. There are many factors that contribute to the Pit Bull's deadliness (the breeding and what is done with them/what they are bred for), but their bite force is not the predominant factor. Nobody is trying to ban German Shepherds, Mastiffs, etc all of which have a stronger bite.

Forgot the link. https://petkeen.com/dogs-with-the-strongest-bite-force/

Wasn't the point about locking on and not letting go, not the physics of F = m * a.

I gather you don't understand physics. Also, from the website:

There are many myths and a ton of misinformation surrounding the controversial issue of dog bites. You may have heard things like Chihuahuas are the breed most likely to bite (impossible to say) or that Pit Bulls have locking jaws (absolutely not true).

That misinformation continues when it comes to the force that various dog breeds can bite with. You’ll hear that one breed or another has the strongest bite — Pit Bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are the usual suspects — or you’ll hear seemingly incredible figures listed for just how hard those pups can chomp down.

Here, we look at which breeds actually bite the hardest and just how hard (measured in pounds per square inch, or psi) that they can bite.


The problem is that they don't just "bite", which may make the "who has the strongest bite" pertinent. The problem is the gameness bred into this breed, and their instinct to fight to the death, maul, destroy, rip in half.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

You are actually incorrect. I am not a fan of, or advocate for, pit bulls in any way. But spreading misinformation does not help your cause. There are many factors that contribute to the Pit Bull's deadliness (the breeding and what is done with them/what they are bred for), but their bite force is not the predominant factor. Nobody is trying to ban German Shepherds, Mastiffs, etc all of which have a stronger bite.

Forgot the link. https://petkeen.com/dogs-with-the-strongest-bite-force/

Wasn't the point about locking on and not letting go, not the physics of F = m * a.

I gather you don't understand physics. Also, from the website:

There are many myths and a ton of misinformation surrounding the controversial issue of dog bites. You may have heard things like Chihuahuas are the breed most likely to bite (impossible to say) or that Pit Bulls have locking jaws (absolutely not true).

That misinformation continues when it comes to the force that various dog breeds can bite with. You’ll hear that one breed or another has the strongest bite — Pit Bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are the usual suspects — or you’ll hear seemingly incredible figures listed for just how hard those pups can chomp down.

Here, we look at which breeds actually bite the hardest and just how hard (measured in pounds per square inch, or psi) that they can bite.


The problem is that they don't just "bite", which may make the "who has the strongest bite" pertinent. The problem is the gameness bred into this breed, and their instinct to fight to the death, maul, destroy, rip in half.

Not to mention that their wide jaws/mouths allow them to continue to breathe while they have a person's head or arm in their mouth so that they don't HAVE TO let go. They also have incredibly high pain levels and will not register being hit in order to be stopped.

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Anonymous wrote:I.hooe.these idiots are charged with child endangerment. All she!gets should be ordered to put down pit bulls

The pitbulls have already been put down. These were legal pets that had been family pets for 8 years without incident and there was a parent present - I don't know how they could charge them with child endangerment.

"8 years without incident", but the children were just 5 months old and 2 years old so the prior 6 years "without incident" (that we know of) is not relevant. The pit bulls waited for their opportunity and took it.

Both parents are at fault. Hopefully they will wake up and spread the word.

It is relevant to charging them with a crime.

Regardless of any sanctions, these parents have to live with the guilt and the mother has to live with the trauma of watching her children mauled to death. They are also dealing with the grief and loss of both their children suddenly. You can't punish them in any way that would ever compare to how they will feel for the rest of their lives.

This line of thinking is so deeply disturbing and I find it enraging, especially as a former prosecutor. I am sick to death of hearing how parents already paid the ultimate price when they cooked their kid in the car or their kid shot a sibling or themselves with an unsecured gun or when they allow their kids to be eaten by their precious family pit bulls.

F F F F F the parents grief!!! That is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT punishment enough!! Let them sit in prison for a few decades processing their terrible grief, and hopefully removing their negligent stupid genes from the gene pool and any other children they have will be protected from their criminally negligent parenting.

A child has the same right to life as you or me, they are not a possession of their parent! They deserve the same justice you would want for yourself if you were mauled by your idiot neighbor’s dog. Tell me, if YOUR child was ripped apart by the idiot neighbor’s pit bull, would their grief and sorrow be enough to fulfill your desire for justice?

Prosecutors who don’t prosecute parents whose negligence results in the death of their children are nothing but COWARDS. Period!

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Anonymous wrote:I.hooe.these idiots are charged with child endangerment. All she!gets should be ordered to put down pit bulls

The pitbulls have already been put down. These were legal pets that had been family pets for 8 years without incident and there was a parent present - I don't know how they could charge them with child endangerment.

"8 years without incident", but the children were just 5 months old and 2 years old so the prior 6 years "without incident" (that we know of) is not relevant. The pit bulls waited for their opportunity and took it.

Both parents are at fault. Hopefully they will wake up and spread the word.

It is relevant to charging them with a crime.

Regardless of any sanctions, these parents have to live with the guilt and the mother has to live with the trauma of watching her children mauled to death. They are also dealing with the grief and loss of both their children suddenly. You can't punish them in any way that would ever compare to how they will feel for the rest of their lives.

This line of thinking is so deeply disturbing and I find it enraging, especially as a former prosecutor. I am sick to death of hearing how parents already paid the ultimate price when they cooked their kid in the car or their kid shot a sibling or themselves with an unsecured gun or when they allow their kids to be eaten by their precious family pit bulls.

F F F F F the parents grief!!! That is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT punishment enough!! Let them sit in prison for a few decades processing their terrible grief, and hopefully removing their negligent stupid genes from the gene pool and any other children they have will be protected from their criminally negligent parenting.

A child has the same right to life as you or me, they are not a possession of their parent! They deserve the same justice you would want for yourself if you were mauled by your idiot neighbor’s dog. Tell me, if YOUR child was ripped apart by the idiot neighbor’s pit bull, would their grief and sorrow be enough to fulfill your desire for justice?

Prosecutors who don’t prosecute parents whose negligence results in the death of their children are nothing but COWARDS. Period!

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Anonymous wrote:While there are only 45 deaths a year, there are 30,000 people requiring reconstructive surgery due to dog bites, and another 350,000 who went to the ED needing medical care post bite. Those people can also be physically and psychologically impacted. There are 4.5 million dog bites per year.

Pit bulls do more damage because they go for the face and eyes, they bit and attack multiple places on the body, and they create more complex wounds. They are responsible for about 65% of all injuries.

While dying is the worst outcome, losing part of your face and surviving is still pretty bad.

The breed is the issue. Across settings, pit bulls by far do the most harm. A ban on pit bulls would end 65% of the injuries and deaths.

Would it? Or would those people who own and breed those dogs irresponsibly just switch to a different breed? There are a lot of strong dog breeds out there--Dogo, Cane Corso, Rottweilers, Germans Shepherds, Mastiffs to name a few. If they were bred like the pitbulls post-ban, would they eventually become the same?

(btw, I'm not a pitbull fan at all. just genuinely wondering how pitbulls became like that)

Because pit bulls have been bred just for violence. When they were bred, they weren’t bred for intelligence or for being good family dogs when they weren’t in the ring. They weren’t bred to be trainable or loyal - they were just bred for blood sport. The most violent dog, the dog that refuses to let go, the dog that can’t be dissuaded even when it’s in pain, these are the traits that have been selected in pit bulls.

Can those other dogs go bad? Absolutely. They’re big dogs and powerful, and I know in the case of the German Shepard at least they’re very, very intelligent and need mental stimulation and a lot of exercise to be happy. But there’s nothing temperamentally wrong with the whole breed. No one recommends German Shepards or Rottweilers for new owners, whereas every shelter in America seems to think nothing of passing off strong and aggressive pit bulls with long bite histories on to unsuspecting families.