Two children killed by family pet

[Anonymous]

Just today someone in my neighborhood is trying to unload a pit mix that is aggressive towards their new baby. It’s so irresponsible to get a bunch of backyard bred pit mix puppies from the South and put them in suburbia as if being “rescues” makes them suitable family pets. It’s the same thing as getting a border collie and then wondering why it’s not happy sitting home alone all day and instead shreds your drywall.

Blah blah blah my pit mix from the South loves babies, blah blah blah. I’m sure a lot of them are great.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

Pit bulls are just the same physically as any other dog
In fact their bite pressure is not as high as other dogs. If your friend's dog was that bad than the doggy day care would not want him there. Maybe the dog doesn't like you.

Sorry, this is nuts. Pit bulls are big and strong and high energy, like a German shepherd or a Dalmatian. They’re overpowered to be family pets. The difference is there are tons of them, most bred irresponsibly.

They also have a very high prey drive. I think the idea of being "breed agnostic" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I encountered a loose pit mix on the street recently while walking my dog and honestly it felt scary in a way that I haven't experienced. That dog was super interested in us in an aggressive way. I yelled for him to get away several times and he'd back off for a few seconds and then start to approach again. Fortunately (for us) he saw another dog walker and ran in their direction. I heard later that he attacked that person's dog after the person brought him home.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

I googled and found the website below, but is there another organization you recommend to which we can donate?

www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

Pit bulls are just the same physically as any other dog
In fact their bite pressure is not as high as other dogs. If your friend's dog was that bad than the doggy day care would not want him there. Maybe the dog doesn't like you.

Sorry, this is nuts. Pit bulls are big and strong and high energy, like a German shepherd or a Dalmatian. They’re overpowered to be family pets. The difference is there are tons of them, most bred irresponsibly.

They also have a very high prey drive. I think the idea of being "breed agnostic" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I encountered a loose pit mix on the street recently while walking my dog and honestly it felt scary in a way that I haven't experienced. That dog was super interested in us in an aggressive way. I yelled for him to get away several times and he'd back off for a few seconds and then start to approach again. Fortunately (for us) he saw another dog walker and ran in their direction. I heard later that he attacked that person's dog after the person brought him home.

The prey drive and gameness is a feature, not a bug. I will never understand how people don't get this. It's genetics! A pit attacking and killing small children is literally fulfilling its genetic destiny.

Retrievers. So they retriever, right? Correct.
Herders. They herd? Yes.
Pitbulls? Oh, they're just a blank slate, it's all in how you raise them.

Get out of town with that BS.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

I googled and found the website below, but is there another organization you recommend to which we can donate?

www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org

dogsbite.org. Also a great website that compiles statistics and stories. Just be prepared; there is a lot of heartbreaking information on that site.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

Pit bulls are just the same physically as any other dog
In fact their bite pressure is not as high as other dogs. If your friend's dog was that bad than the doggy day care would not want him there. Maybe the dog doesn't like you.

Sorry, this is nuts. Pit bulls are big and strong and high energy, like a German shepherd or a Dalmatian. They’re overpowered to be family pets. The difference is there are tons of them, most bred irresponsibly.

They also have a very high prey drive. I think the idea of being "breed agnostic" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I encountered a loose pit mix on the street recently while walking my dog and honestly it felt scary in a way that I haven't experienced. That dog was super interested in us in an aggressive way. I yelled for him to get away several times and he'd back off for a few seconds and then start to approach again. Fortunately (for us) he saw another dog walker and ran in their direction. I heard later that he attacked that person's dog after the person brought him home.

The prey drive and gameness is a feature, not a bug. I will never understand how people don't get this. It's genetics! A pit attacking and killing small children is literally fulfilling its genetic destiny.

Retrievers. So they retriever, right? Correct.
Herders. They herd? Yes.
Pitbulls? Oh, they're just a blank slate, it's all in how you raise them.

Get out of town with that BS.

+1 million We need to keep spreading the word about these dogs. A lot of people don't really know much, and are appropriately horrified when they found out some of this information about pitbulls. So the more people that get on the side of banning them, eradicating the bloodlines, the better.

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Anonymous wrote:Was there a 12 page thread when a New Orleans toddler was killed by a family dog this past July? The truth is you pearl clutchers are triggered by the picture of that family.

? Why would anyone be “triggered” (do you know what that word means?) by a picture of a family? Unless it was pictures of the pit bull mauled child. I would find that a really shocking and sad image to see, but maybe you sought that out for some reason?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

Pit bulls are just the same physically as any other dog
In fact their bite pressure is not as high as other dogs. If your friend's dog was that bad than the doggy day care would not want him there. Maybe the dog doesn't like you.

Sorry, this is nuts. Pit bulls are big and strong and high energy, like a German shepherd or a Dalmatian. They’re overpowered to be family pets. The difference is there are tons of them, most bred irresponsibly.

They also have a very high prey drive. I think the idea of being "breed agnostic" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I encountered a loose pit mix on the street recently while walking my dog and honestly it felt scary in a way that I haven't experienced. That dog was super interested in us in an aggressive way. I yelled for him to get away several times and he'd back off for a few seconds and then start to approach again. Fortunately (for us) he saw another dog walker and ran in their direction. I heard later that he attacked that person's dog after the person brought him home.

The prey drive and gameness is a feature, not a bug. I will never understand how people don't get this. It's genetics! A pit attacking and killing small children is literally fulfilling its genetic destiny.

Retrievers. So they retriever, right? Correct.
Herders. They herd? Yes.
Pitbulls? Oh, they're just a blank slate, it's all in how you raise them.

Get out of town with that BS.

+1

According to pit bull owners these are magic dogs. They’ve always abused except all pit bull owners are magnificent, responsible pet owners but if a pit bull mauls a cat or a dog or a horse or a child it’s the owners fault unless the cat or the dog or the horse or the child existed in which case the pit bull was simply reacting normally to a living thing sneezing but also pit bulls don’t exist because that’s not a breed except it is because you’re a dog classist or dog racist but no owner should ever have to be charged for essentially having a deadly weapon except it’s not the breed it’s the owner but this one was a bait dog and that’s why I’m taking this fearful, neurotic abused dog to a school as an emotional support dog… It’s a never ending stream of nonsense. OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are banned in the UK and are illegal there.

And they were the original breeders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never trust a person who has a pit-bull as a pet- you have to have deep seeded issues to willingly take on that liability. No level headed person would think it is okay to have a pity bill in the same home as young children.

There is something to this.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

NP. Totally agree. Even if someone's specific pit bull (or pit bull mix) is "sweet" blah blah -- even if the dog WERE genuinely good-tempered overall, the dog's anatomy is still a pit bull anatomy. And their jaws are designed to deliver horrific bites to kill. It's not just about demeanor or supposed viciousness. It's about how any pit or pit mix has the physical equpiment to crush and rip with incredible force, much more than most other breeds of dog. So if even the "nicest" pit/mix that's been well socialized and trained gets frightened suddenly--that dog is going to deliver a bite that is simply going to be vastly worse than if the dog were some other breed. It's about mechanics as well as temperament. But pit bull lovers refuse to believe that despite the fact it's anatomy, physics, mechanics.

It's not about mean people hating pit owners' precious, darling, sweet and oh so misunderstood dogs.

It's about people telling them, the gentlest dog on the planet can still bite if startled or frightened; why have a dog where if it bites only ONCE in its entire life, that ONE bite could crush a child's skull or rip out an adult's throat because that's what its jaws are built to do, and that build cannot be altered by all the training and love in the world?

My dearest friend has a pit mix who is nervous around people except her. I know not to engage her on the topic of pit bulls/mixes. BUT she always puts the dog into "doggie day care" for the day when anyone comes to visit her because she knows and accepts that her dog is not going to be happy with people in his territory other than her, and she wants guests to be relaxed. I appreciate that more than I can say.

Pit bulls are just the same physically as any other dog
In fact their bite pressure is not as high as other dogs. If your friend's dog was that bad than the doggy day care would not want him there. Maybe the dog doesn't like you.

Sorry, this is nuts. Pit bulls are big and strong and high energy, like a German shepherd or a Dalmatian. They’re overpowered to be family pets. The difference is there are tons of them, most bred irresponsibly.

They also have a very high prey drive. I think the idea of being "breed agnostic" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I encountered a loose pit mix on the street recently while walking my dog and honestly it felt scary in a way that I haven't experienced. That dog was super interested in us in an aggressive way. I yelled for him to get away several times and he'd back off for a few seconds and then start to approach again. Fortunately (for us) he saw another dog walker and ran in their direction. I heard later that he attacked that person's dog after the person brought him home.

The prey drive and gameness is a feature, not a bug. I will never understand how people don't get this. It's genetics! A pit attacking and killing small children is literally fulfilling its genetic destiny.

Retrievers. So they retriever, right? Correct.
Herders. They herd? Yes.
Pitbulls? Oh, they're just a blank slate, it's all in how you raise them.

Get out of town with that BS.

+1

According to pit bull owners these are magic dogs. They’ve always abused except all pit bull owners are magnificent, responsible pet owners but if a pit bull mauls a cat or a dog or a horse or a child it’s the owners fault unless the cat or the dog or the horse or the child existed in which case the pit bull was simply reacting normally to a living thing sneezing but also pit bulls don’t exist because that’s not a breed except it is because you’re a dog classist or dog racist but no owner should ever have to be charged for essentially having a deadly weapon except it’s not the breed it’s the owner but this one was a bait dog and that’s why I’m taking this fearful, neurotic abused dog to a school as an emotional support dog… It’s a never ending stream of nonsense. OP.

+1 Love this and so true

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Anonymous wrote:I.hooe.these idiots are charged with child endangerment. All she!gets should be ordered to put down pit bulls

The pitbulls have already been put down. These were legal pets that had been family pets for 8 years without incident and there was a parent present - I don't know how they could charge them with child endangerment.

"8 years without incident", but the children were just 5 months old and 2 years old so the prior 6 years "without incident" (that we know of) is not relevant. The pit bulls waited for their opportunity and took it.

Both parents are at fault. Hopefully they will wake up and spread the word.

[Anonymous]

And I doubt that there were multiple years without incident. The mother knew. She wanted the dogs out of the house because she feared for the safety of her children. What caused this fear ?

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Anonymous wrote:I.hooe.these idiots are charged with child endangerment. All she!gets should be ordered to put down pit bulls

The pitbulls have already been put down. These were legal pets that had been family pets for 8 years without incident and there was a parent present - I don't know how they could charge them with child endangerment.

"8 years without incident", but the children were just 5 months old and 2 years old so the prior 6 years "without incident" (that we know of) is not relevant. The pit bulls waited for their opportunity and took it.

Both parents are at fault. Hopefully they will wake up and spread the word.

It is relevant to charging them with a crime.

Regardless of any sanctions, these parents have to live with the guilt and the mother has to live with the trauma of watching her children mauled to death. They are also dealing with the grief and loss of both their children suddenly. You can't punish them in any way that would ever compare to how they will feel for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:And I doubt that there were multiple years without incident. The mother knew. She wanted the dogs out of the house because she feared for the safety of her children. What caused this fear ?

The dogs most likely had resource guarding issues. Until the kids, the parents probably just easily avoided the triggers and also didn't realize how bad it could get if someone got in the middle of the dogs fighting over something. Also, when dogs are not raised with kids from the time they are a puppy, it's hard for them to get acclimated to the unpredictable nature of young children.