Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

Maybe farther out. In close-in neighborhoods, it's the opposite. Youngkin is turning out even worse than expected. Kinda like Trump.

I don't know what you mean by "close-in neighborhoods," but you are completely wrong on this. Youngkin is very popular across the state for actions like this. Your 25-YO friends are probably the exception, but parents of girls care about this issue and support him on it, despite the "hate has no home here" virtue-signaling signs you see in the front yards.

I'm a parent of 4 daughters and I'm not with him. He's not "very popular"--he has a 56% favorable polling rate as of last week . The majority of voters typically approve of all VA governors. He's done less harm than he could have because a Democratic congress keeps him in check and he's not that great at pushing his agenda through.

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One of the challenges is that teens want to be unique but edgy - they are figuring out identity. Being just gay or a lesbian isn't edgy anymore.

We have one student who has no one fixed gender - or I should say is all genders. It is very confusing knowing how to refer to the student as their gender identity and expression shifts day by day. Somedays they only want their first name used, other days, they use they or them and other days they will use he/him or she/her or a mix. They also have two first names they alternate use of. The student seems to have a great deal of internal angst that is quite concerning and I am pretty sure their gender identity and expression is a manifestation of their internal emotional distress and confusion. However it makes it very challenging to not misgender them. It is also hard to speak to parents as they only use one set of pronouns and one name.

It can also be challenging if parents don't know and you call them Sarah and she/her all the time and then parents call about Steven and he/him when you have never used that name or pronoun to keep things straight. I am sure some students have been outed to parents by teachers in this manner.

I am sure this too will peak and the edgy / identity / exploring / angst will move on to the next phase just like all the edgy trends of years gone by. There will still be some SGM kids but not nearly in these numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

I think most people are aware of the high rate of suicides, but if you don't know your kid is transgender, and the school won't tell you that either, then you don't know what to look out for.

Exactly. The increased risk of suicide for trans kids is often cited, so why in the world would a school withhold from parents that their child has an increased suicide risk? It's never made sense to me. Parents are the ones who can arrange for a psychiatrist and therapist, not the school.

If a teacher suspects a self-harm risk, they are required to tell the parent. The issue is that sometimes the very act of telling the parent against the student’s wishes increases the risk of self-harm.

The Code of Virginia, § 22.1-272.1.: Requires “[a]ny person licensed as administrative or instructional personnel by the Board of Education and employed by a local school board who, in the scope of his employment, has reason to believe, as a result of direct communication from a student, that such student is at imminent risk of suicide, shall, as soon as practicable, contact at least one of such student’s parents to ask whether such parent is aware of the student's mental state and whether the parent wishes to obtain or has already obtained counseling for such student.” However, “[i]f the student has indicated that the reason for being at imminent risk of suicide relates to parental abuse or neglect, this contact shall not be made with the parent. Instead, the person shall, as soon as practicable, notify the local department of social services of the county or city wherein the child resides or wherein the abuse or neglect is believed to have occurred or the state Department of Social Services’ toll-free child abuse and neglect hotline, as required by § 63.2- 1509.”

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

"Many parents don't trust doctors"

Total BS argument.

Politicians get traction because we have a lot of bigots.

It must be nice to be young, healthy, wealthy, and white, and to never have had reason to distrust the medical establishment. I’m genuinely glad for you, PP, that you have the luxury of such total faith in doctors. But you sound pretty clueless about the very long history of why many parents (especially parents of kids who are POC, neurodivergent, not wealthy, etc.) might not feel that way. You can continue in your ignorance if you want, but one of the reasons that this issue is resonating as a political issue and the call to keep it as a medical issue is failing is because many people have good reason not to trust doctors.

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

You are not qualified to assess risk at home based solely on self- reporting from a student in school. You tell the parent about concerns or call social services if you fear harm to the child.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

"Many parents don't trust doctors"

Total BS argument.

Politicians get traction because we have a lot of bigots.

It must be nice to be young, healthy, wealthy, and white, and to never have had reason to distrust the medical establishment. I’m genuinely glad for you, PP, that you have the luxury of such total faith in doctors. But you sound pretty clueless about the very long history of why many parents (especially parents of kids who are POC, neurodivergent, not wealthy, etc.) might not feel that way. You can continue in your ignorance if you want, but one of the reasons that this issue is resonating as a political issue and the call to keep it as a medical issue is failing is because many people have good reason not to trust doctors.

POC mistrust of doctors is a real thing. It just has nothing to do with why parents are anti-trans bigots and think that politicians should be making medical decisions for people without their consent.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

"Many parents don't trust doctors"

Total BS argument.

Politicians get traction because we have a lot of bigots.

It must be nice to be young, healthy, wealthy, and white, and to never have had reason to distrust the medical establishment. I’m genuinely glad for you, PP, that you have the luxury of such total faith in doctors. But you sound pretty clueless about the very long history of why many parents (especially parents of kids who are POC, neurodivergent, not wealthy, etc.) might not feel that way. You can continue in your ignorance if you want, but one of the reasons that this issue is resonating as a political issue and the call to keep it as a medical issue is failing is because many people have good reason not to trust doctors.

POC mistrust of doctors is a real thing. It just has nothing to do with why parents are anti-trans bigots and think that politicians should be making medical decisions for people without their consent.

Genuine question for you: so do you think that it’s totally not an issue that the doctors who manage trans health care are overwhelmingly white, wealthy, neurotypical, extensively educated, and cisgender, while they treat a population that is more racially diverse than the population as a whole, with a high percentage of neurodivergent individuals, that is obviously not cisgender, and that is usually less well-off and less educated than the doctors are? Do you think it’s “bigotry” on the part of parents who are worried about that? Do you see how parents might feel stuck between a rock (medical establishment) and a hard place (Republican politicians) on issues of trans care for kids? Or do you think any unease parents might feel at what I described above is just “bigotry”?

Your posts strike me as wildly naive, if well-intentioned and passionate, and I’m trying to figure out if you can see any nuance whatsoever in this discussion.

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Just the beginning, folks. Next it’ll be LGB kids, then non-Christian kids…

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

You are not qualified to assess risk at home based solely on self- reporting from a student in school. You tell the parent about concerns or call social services if you fear harm to the child.

Teachers should not have to be put in the role of reporting to parents on this. Parents should not have to be put in the role of putting their children's gender identity exploration formally to the school. If kids want teachers to call them by a different name just let them. If a teacher refuses, then involve the parents. This has nothing to do with parents' rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Just the beginning, folks. Next it’ll be LGB kids, then non-Christian kids…

Basically, if you're not a white, Evangelical family you are screwed.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

"Many parents don't trust doctors"

Total BS argument.

Politicians get traction because we have a lot of bigots.

It must be nice to be young, healthy, wealthy, and white, and to never have had reason to distrust the medical establishment. I’m genuinely glad for you, PP, that you have the luxury of such total faith in doctors. But you sound pretty clueless about the very long history of why many parents (especially parents of kids who are POC, neurodivergent, not wealthy, etc.) might not feel that way. You can continue in your ignorance if you want, but one of the reasons that this issue is resonating as a political issue and the call to keep it as a medical issue is failing is because many people have good reason not to trust doctors.

POC mistrust of doctors is a real thing. It just has nothing to do with why parents are anti-trans bigots and think that politicians should be making medical decisions for people without their consent.

Genuine question for you: so do you think that it’s totally not an issue that the doctors who manage trans health care are overwhelmingly white, wealthy, neurotypical, extensively educated, and cisgender, while they treat a population that is more racially diverse than the population as a whole, with a high percentage of neurodivergent individuals, that is obviously not cisgender, and that is usually less well-off and less educated than the doctors are? Do you think it’s “bigotry” on the part of parents who are worried about that? Do you see how parents might feel stuck between a rock (medical establishment) and a hard place (Republican politicians) on issues of trans care for kids? Or do you think any unease parents might feel at what I described above is just “bigotry”?

Your posts strike me as wildly naive, if well-intentioned and passionate, and I’m trying to figure out if you can see any nuance whatsoever in this discussion.

Citation? And then please also share the demographics of all physicians.

It's bigotry to focus on this particular issue if you're really "concerned" about medical racial injustice in our state. Why not focus on POC maternal mortality rates? Access to care in rural areas? There are plenty of actual real-life medical issues for POC. Stop exploiting them for your own bigoted agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Just the beginning, folks. Next it’ll be LGB kids, then non-Christian kids…

Please read the entire 20 page document.

Your post does not align with the document.

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

You are not qualified to assess risk at home based solely on self- reporting from a student in school. You tell the parent about concerns or call social services if you fear harm to the child.

Teachers should not have to be put in the role of reporting to parents on this. Parents should not have to be put in the role of putting their children's gender identity exploration formally to the school. If kids want teachers to call them by a different name just let them. If a teacher refuses, then involve the parents. This has nothing to do with parents' rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment suggests otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Just the beginning, folks. Next it’ll be LGB kids, then non-Christian kids…

Basically, if you're not a white, Evangelical family you are screwed.

Please read the entire 20 page document so you understand what this document actually says, rwther than basing your opinion off a headline, catch phrase or the summary of an activist on twitter.

Go directly to the source, not someone else's biased statement.

Then form your opinion through infkrmed, firwt person knowledge rather than someone else's opinion.

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https://doe.virginia.gov/support/gender-diversity/2022-model-policies-on-the-privacy-dignity-and-respect-for-all-students-town-hall.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3tWKpjhFCia_8iecD906HN3L83ko3-4cc9QBjEKR4eZtSe85g8HDSrMg8