What is up with the vegan hate

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

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Vegans are vegans because they have a mental illness and they use food control as an unhealthy coping mechanism. The veganism is a symptom of the illness.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

Advocating ignorance as a virtue. Wow. I'm guessing you're MAGA, too?

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

Advocating ignorance as a virtue. Wow. I'm guessing you're MAGA, too?

Referring to the previous PP, obviously.

[Anonymous]

This isn’t about food. This conversation is not moving forward.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

+1. The same people who are horrified at the thought of aborting a fetus at 6 weeks eat the flesh of an animals with no qualms and get indignant and nasty when people point out that principles like “thou shalt not kill” and not causing pain applies to all living creatures.

+2. Cognitive dissonance at its best. If you can avoid killing a living creature and there are other good options available, why wouldn’t you do it? It’s much more environmentally sustainable as well.

This. Not sure why people are pissing all over vegans. They’re living more lightly and being kind to other living things. If More of us could follow their example, the world would be a better place.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

+10000

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It’s part of the whole MAGA culture, steak, beer, guns, boobs

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

+10000

Well you are playing the same game. The truth is that 99.9% of people who eat meat are sticking their heads in the sand on a daily basis. You're doing the same to pretend that's not happening. Why not say it out loud.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

It is quite a paternalistic attitude to assume that those people want what you do.

There are very few countries that have not massively increased their meat intake as their income/development allowed. I would say that referring to India as the rest of the world is just as provincial.

They have indeed increased their meat intake. And in doing so, they’ve begun to import many of America’s first world health problems.

That wasn't the argument... the argument is whether most people prefer to eat meat if given the choice. I think the answer is yes, unless they are taught through religion not to.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

+1. The same people who are horrified at the thought of aborting a fetus at 6 weeks eat the flesh of an animals with no qualms and get indignant and nasty when people point out that principles like “thou shalt not kill” and not causing pain applies to all living creatures.

That's because we recognize the difference between humans and animals, which I am guessing you don't.