What is up with the vegan hate

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Anonymous wrote:Hey troll, you've outted yourself many times here with your childish uneducated comments, always followed with the "that's insane" or "eating disorder" tags. You sound like a 7th grader and there's no reason to continue debating here with you. At this point, most people here have realized this and hopefully will stop.

Go away.

OP, hopefully you gor the requisite info you needed, but the thread needs to stop now. There's always the troll.

And who the hell do you think you are to proclaim “the thread needs to stop now?” Is your name Jeff? If you don’t like the conversation, leave it.

It's just best if people don't feed you. It's a waste of everyone's time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hey troll, you've outted yourself many times here with your childish uneducated comments, always followed with the "that's insane" or "eating disorder" tags. You sound like a 7th grader and there's no reason to continue debating here with you. At this point, most people here have realized this and hopefully will stop.

Go away.

OP, hopefully you gor the requisite info you needed, but the thread needs to stop now. There's always the troll.

You are communicating with multiple people who think OP is ridiculous, not one “troll.” I know, reading is hard.

No, it's really just you. How stupid do you think everyone is? Ah, we can guess by your similarly written linguistic pattern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

+1. The same people who are horrified at the thought of aborting a fetus at 6 weeks eat the flesh of an animals with no qualms and get indignant and nasty when people point out that principles like “thou shalt not kill” and not causing pain applies to all living creatures.

+2. Cognitive dissonance at its best. If you can avoid killing a living creature and there are other good options available, why wouldn’t you do it? It’s much more environmentally sustainable as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

Sure. Pescatarianism also isn't vegetarianism. It's a dud link for that argument.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

Sure. Pescatarianism also isn't vegetarianism. It's a dud link for that argument.

PS:

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

Sure. Pescatarianism also isn't vegetarianism. It's a dud link for that argument.

But you do admit that I didn't say vegan....so I was right and PP was wrong. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

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Do you really think people barely surviving on grains and gruel in the third world would prefer to eat that over a roasted goat or chicken curry? These people aren’t all collectively making conscious dietary decisions to avoid meat. They just don’t have the ability to skip on over to Whole Foods, sneer at the organic meat section, and buy expensive, processed meat substitutes or imported quinoa. It is the height of privilege to be a vegan in the West in the 21st century.

Um, yes. Try going to a continent called Asia. There’s a lot of people there. You just might open your mind a bit.

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Um, I have been to Asia, many times. And I lived on a Pacific island about 3.5 hours from Japan. Fish, pork, beef, chicken, etc featured in all cuisines, in addition to delicious vegetables and yummy starches. Tell me about your trips to Asia.

Um, try other countries like China and India rather than Tonga. There are even places like the Middle East where pork isn’t consumed.

I’ve never been to Tonga. But I have been to multiple Asian countries. I’m still waiting for you to tell me all about your experiences in Asia.

I think a lot of people are aware of the religious aversions to pork in the Middle East. You’re not really schooling anyone there. But they do love them some lamb, that’s for sure!

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

Sure. Pescatarianism also isn't vegetarianism. It's a dud link for that argument.

PS:

Wow, that is fancy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

**"NOTE*** that that is not the same as being suicidal.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

Sure. Pescatarianism also isn't vegetarianism. It's a dud link for that argument.

PS:

Wow, that is fancy.

Also accurate. Win-win.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

Sure. Pescatarianism also isn't vegetarianism. It's a dud link for that argument.

But you do admit that I didn't say vegan....so I was right and PP was wrong. Right?

You didn't say vegan, but it was a dud link for arguing against vegetarianism. Right on one thing, wrong on the other. I'd call it a wash.

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Anonymous wrote: When I am entertaining, bulk of the food I cook is vegetarian and only one or two dishes are non-veg. The meat eaters can eat everything, and vegetarians don't eat that one or two items. However, even if a person who eats vegan, or gluten free, or dairy free, or nut free food comes to our dinners, they will find something that they can eat and they will not go home without being stuffed to the gills with good food. My DH likes a table with lots of dishes and I always have enough in the freezer to make something in 15 minutes or less. Menu of last weekend dinner for 35 people.


Spinach chaat (veg/vegan)
Mint Paneer-capsicum seekh (veg)
Dhokla (veg/vegan)
Lamb kebab

Quinoa veg pilaf (veg/vegan)
Tandoori salmon
Mixed lentils (aka dal banjaara) (veg/vegan)
Potato curry (aka dum aloo) (veg/vegan)
Malai kofta (veg)
Chicken jhalfrezi
Chickpea flour dumpling curry (aka besan gatta) (veg/vegan)
Mixed flour roti (veg/vegan)

Cut fruits (veg/vegan)
Rasmalai (veg)

PP, with respect, the people who are offended when a dinner guest discloses their vegan diet in any way are not going to eat this delicious cooking. They barely consider things food if it’s not a meat/starch/veg combination. The Obnoxious Vegans they’re talking about are the ones who are vegan in a showy culturally performative way. They are not talking about people whose ethnic culinary heritage has a lot of vegan options. They’re talking about the white yoga teacher mom at preschool.

I am ok if a White yoga teacher mom comes to eat at my house. I am ok if a meat and potato eating person comes to eat at my house. I will make something which they like. No problem.

The thing is that when you have guests you must cater to their dietary needs within reason. If a vegan is coming to your house for thanksgiving, there are many sides that they can have that can also be enjoyed by others. Or, you order a vegan meal for them. There is really no need to fret about it. None of us are so poor that we cannot afford a meal for a vegan guest, right?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

+1. The same people who are horrified at the thought of aborting a fetus at 6 weeks eat the flesh of an animals with no qualms and get indignant and nasty when people point out that principles like “thou shalt not kill” and not causing pain applies to all living creatures.

+2. Cognitive dissonance at its best. If you can avoid killing a living creature and there are other good options available, why wouldn’t you do it? It’s much more environmentally sustainable as well.

Yes-so many people in their Priuses driving from their Bethesda McMansion to a steakhouse.