What is up with the vegan hate

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

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Well you are playing the same game. The truth is that 99.9% of people who eat meat are sticking their heads in the sand on a daily basis. You're doing the same to pretend that's not happening. Why not say it out loud.

You are so preciously divorced from history, nature, and reality. Are you implying humans around the world today and throughout history were sick psychos for slaughtering meat to feed themselves and their families? Are you even for real?

[Anonymous]

A former Vegan now vegetarian; I used to get the looks whenever I said I was vegan, some people took it well some others kind of told me that I didn’t know what I was missing. I married a wonderful man that loves his meats and I happily cook them for him since I LOVE cooking. He now eats a well balanced diet that includes veggies and clean/lean protein. His family although…old’ good folks will never understand that I do t like meat. My mother-in-law to this day offers me bacon ..I keep reminding her that I don’t eat meat(been telling her this the past 10 years.) I hardly ever accept invitations to eat at friends house not just because I’m vegetarian, but also because I have food sensitivities and a GI issue (and I admit, I’m a picky eater.) Nevertheless, if I have a gathering I bring a homemade dish that both my husband and I can eat, and another for folks that don’t have any food intolerance issues. Problem solve. I simply careless what people think about my ‘uniqueness’ diet as some of them call it.

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Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

I haven't seen the other thread, and I imagine this has been covered both here and there. I don't hate vegans in a vacuum, but having them attend Thanksgiving would be a significant inconvenience. I can't think of one thing I typically serve for Thanksgiving that is vegan - maybe the cranberry sauce, and perhaps a salad, depending on which salad I make. My entire menu would have to be modified, and most of it would taste a lot worse than it does now. I have enough to do both before and on Thanksgiving to relish doing that (oh, yeah, they can eat the relish tray).

Also, Anthony Bourdain referred to vegans as a Hezbollah-like splinter group of vegetarians. I think that's apt.

He actually slaughtered a baby lamb and pig himself, the reasoning being that he should be able to do it if he was going to eat it. I have maintained that everyone should actually be a part of the slaughter process. Spend time in an industrial processing plant, do the deed yourself before you ever eat another meat meal. If you can do it- great . Most people compartmentalize their food sources.

Anthony Bourdain is a POS who glorified death. His friends said he had a long-time fascination with suicide -- not that that is not the same as being suicidal. He left behind a child. He sucks. I do not admire him in the least.

Think you missed the point. This isn't a commentary about him personally. It's about a chef who engaged in the reality of his food source. This isn't about him, his suicide, or anything. It's about food- that's all. Try to keep up.

No, that is completely missing the point. It IS about death. It is about killing an animal yourself. Most people don't want to kill. Most people choose to avoid it. He didn't. He sought it out and pretended that was somehow noble. Because he was a chef? Gimme a break. He was a sick, sick man. That is clear to all to see now.

Oh, so you are not sick because you have other people slaughter your food? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Seeking out something rightfully horrifying is sick. Sticking one's head in the sand is the cultural norm.

DP. Well, there it is.

+10000

Well you are playing the same game. The truth is that 99.9% of people who eat meat are sticking their heads in the sand on a daily basis. You're doing the same to pretend that's not happening. Why not say it out loud.

You are so preciously divorced from history, nature, and reality. Are you implying humans around the world today and throughout history were sick psychos for slaughtering meat to feed themselves and their families? Are you even for real?

I wasn't referring to life throughout the world and through history. I'm talking about life in America in 2022 -- where most people do not slaughter animals for meat. Gimma break -- are YOU for real? Most people buy their meat in the grocery store and prefer not to think about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The vegan hate is really big in the boomer crowd that grew up learning to cook by adding butter, cream and bacon to everything. I personally love bacon but it’s a PITA to make. I’ve found that butter and cream really don’t make vegetables taste better at all. They basically mask bad cooking and make something meh.

Poor you. Must be so difficult to live so oppressed. Btw I do not hate vegans but we is me is tiring

[Anonymous]

Not hate, and not even high on my list:

Worst Guests Ever:
1. GF “by choice;”
2. Men Who Don’t Cook But Criticize
3. Nightshade Avoiders
4. Keto Devotees
5. Intermittent Fasters who Sit at Table, Don’t Eat, and Talk About Fasting
6. GF by Necessity But Also Avoid Lactose/Soy
7. Midwesterners Who Don’t Do “Spicy;”
8. Midwesterner’s Who Don’t Do “Vegetables;”
9. Guests Who Claim all Foods are “Inflammatory” Yet Eat Flaming Hot Cheetos in Car Out Of Bag;
10. Vegans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not hate, and not even high on my list:

Worst Guests Ever:
1. GF “by choice;”
2. Men Who Don’t Cook But Criticize
3. Nightshade Avoiders
4. Keto Devotees
5. Intermittent Fasters who Sit at Table, Don’t Eat, and Talk About Fasting
6. GF by Necessity But Also Avoid Lactose/Soy
7. Midwesterners Who Don’t Do “Spicy;”
8. Midwesterner’s Who Don’t Do “Vegetables;”
9. Guests Who Claim all Foods are “Inflammatory” Yet Eat Flaming Hot Cheetos in Car Out Of Bag;
10. Vegans

All this, but vegetarian, in my view, which is not on your list, provides no hate. In fact, to clarify, if being vegan was remotely even more possible ( it really isn't- one has to be in personal control of all food, and that's not possible), it would be fine.

But, I don't lop vegan or vegetarian, certainly, with the above list. Those are food fads, with the exception of true allergy- there are lactose intolerant and celiac persons, and plant eating isn't a fad. Some spicy foods can trigger heartburn, etc.

It's a conscious decision not to eat animal products- couldn't be more basic than that . It's not in vogue for some arbitrary reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The vegan hate is really big in the boomer crowd that grew up learning to cook by adding butter, cream and bacon to everything. I personally love bacon but it’s a PITA to make. I’ve found that butter and cream really don’t make vegetables taste better at all. They basically mask bad cooking and make something meh.

Poor you. Must be so difficult to live so oppressed. Btw I do not hate vegans but we is me is tiring

I am a boomer who is a vegetarian. I grew up on meat and 2 sides every day. Our sugar was very limited, actually- mostly at BD parties. I also watched 80% of our fathers have massive heart attacks and bypasses- the old kind of bypass, by the time they were 60. Some lived only to have another heart attack, some died instantly. So, I was informed by experience. My own mother, from that previous generation, told everyone in her last years (didn't have heart disease, but my father did) that if she could go back in time, we would have had a completely different diet. It would have been hard to pull off- fresh vegetables and fruit weren't really available the way they are now.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A former Vegan now vegetarian; I used to get the looks whenever I said I was vegan, some people took it well some others kind of told me that I didn’t know what I was missing. I married a wonderful man that loves his meats and I happily cook them for him since I LOVE cooking. He now eats a well balanced diet that includes veggies and clean/lean protein. His family although…old’ good folks will never understand that I do t like meat. My mother-in-law to this day offers me bacon ..I keep reminding her that I don’t eat meat(been telling her this the past 10 years.) I hardly ever accept invitations to eat at friends house not just because I’m vegetarian, but also because I have food sensitivities and a GI issue (and I admit, I’m a picky eater.) Nevertheless, if I have a gathering I bring a homemade dish that both my husband and I can eat, and another for folks that don’t have any food intolerance issues. Problem solve. I simply careless what people think about my ‘uniqueness’ diet as some of them call it.

Vegan, vegetarian, “food sensitivities,” “a GI issue,” an admitted picky eater—in other words, you have disordered eating habits and a weird relationship with food. Proving the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A former Vegan now vegetarian; I used to get the looks whenever I said I was vegan, some people took it well some others kind of told me that I didn’t know what I was missing. I married a wonderful man that loves his meats and I happily cook them for him since I LOVE cooking. He now eats a well balanced diet that includes veggies and clean/lean protein. His family although…old’ good folks will never understand that I do t like meat. My mother-in-law to this day offers me bacon ..I keep reminding her that I don’t eat meat(been telling her this the past 10 years.) I hardly ever accept invitations to eat at friends house not just because I’m vegetarian, but also because I have food sensitivities and a GI issue (and I admit, I’m a picky eater.) Nevertheless, if I have a gathering I bring a homemade dish that both my husband and I can eat, and another for folks that don’t have any food intolerance issues. Problem solve. I simply careless what people think about my ‘uniqueness’ diet as some of them call it.

Vegan, vegetarian, “food sensitivities,” “a GI issue,” an admitted picky eater—in other words, you have disordered eating habits and a weird relationship with food. Proving the point.

Sorry, vegan and vegetarianism is not in any way an eating disorder, despite your constant harping as much. It is a actually a global diet goal, expressly researched, for health and for the environment. You seem to be having a rather large personal problem, best left on another thread- I'm guessing Relationships.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A former Vegan now vegetarian; I used to get the looks whenever I said I was vegan, some people took it well some others kind of told me that I didn’t know what I was missing. I married a wonderful man that loves his meats and I happily cook them for him since I LOVE cooking. He now eats a well balanced diet that includes veggies and clean/lean protein. His family although…old’ good folks will never understand that I do t like meat. My mother-in-law to this day offers me bacon ..I keep reminding her that I don’t eat meat(been telling her this the past 10 years.) I hardly ever accept invitations to eat at friends house not just because I’m vegetarian, but also because I have food sensitivities and a GI issue (and I admit, I’m a picky eater.) Nevertheless, if I have a gathering I bring a homemade dish that both my husband and I can eat, and another for folks that don’t have any food intolerance issues. Problem solve. I simply careless what people think about my ‘uniqueness’ diet as some of them call it.

Vegan, vegetarian, “food sensitivities,” “a GI issue,” an admitted picky eater—in other words, you have disordered eating habits and a weird relationship with food. Proving the point.

Not according to global nutrition goals. We will definitely be moving toward a more plant based diet, and have started to do so.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02409-7

https://www.agrinews-pubs.com/2020/03/22/plant-based-eating-trend-growing/a3qtsc5/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/climate/meat-environment-climate-change.html

[Anonymous]

I’m a pescatarian, that was a vegetarian for 20 years. I don’t have a problem making vegan dishes, since I probably eat vegan 30% of the time anyway. But almost all of my vegan friends are vegan + something else, and that’s really challenging. Vegan + gluten free; vegan + no soy; vegan + prefers raw; vegan + allergic to nightshades. So, we up getting take-our from the same three places a lot. We can’t go to new restaurants, even on my birthday, I can’t select a restaurant. It’s taken all of the joy out of food. And none of them cook, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a pescatarian, that was a vegetarian for 20 years. I don’t have a problem making vegan dishes, since I probably eat vegan 30% of the time anyway. But almost all of my vegan friends are vegan + something else, and that’s really challenging. Vegan + gluten free; vegan + no soy; vegan + prefers raw; vegan + allergic to nightshades. So, we up getting take-our from the same three places a lot. We can’t go to new restaurants, even on my birthday, I can’t select a restaurant. It’s taken all of the joy out of food. And none of them cook, either.

That sounds especially annoying as you know 90% of the other “issues” are completely self-imposed and made up. Allergic to nightshades, I am so sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A former Vegan now vegetarian; I used to get the looks whenever I said I was vegan, some people took it well some others kind of told me that I didn’t know what I was missing. I married a wonderful man that loves his meats and I happily cook them for him since I LOVE cooking. He now eats a well balanced diet that includes veggies and clean/lean protein. His family although…old’ good folks will never understand that I do t like meat. My mother-in-law to this day offers me bacon ..I keep reminding her that I don’t eat meat(been telling her this the past 10 years.) I hardly ever accept invitations to eat at friends house not just because I’m vegetarian, but also because I have food sensitivities and a GI issue (and I admit, I’m a picky eater.) Nevertheless, if I have a gathering I bring a homemade dish that both my husband and I can eat, and another for folks that don’t have any food intolerance issues. Problem solve. I simply careless what people think about my ‘uniqueness’ diet as some of them call it.

Vegan, vegetarian, “food sensitivities,” “a GI issue,” an admitted picky eater—in other words, you have disordered eating habits and a weird relationship with food. Proving the point.

Not according to global nutrition goals. We will definitely be moving toward a more plant based diet, and have started to do so.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02409-7

https://www.agrinews-pubs.com/2020/03/22/plant-based-eating-trend-growing/a3qtsc5/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/climate/meat-environment-climate-change.html

Moving toward eating less meat and less animal products is all totally great and fine. But most of us can do that without having or pretending to have other issues. I am essentially a “reverse Meatless Monday” eater in that most of what I eat happens to be vegetarian or vegan, simply by choice and preference. But I don’t throw being “an admittedly picky eater” on top of that.

Choosing to be vegan = not an issue
Choosing to be a vegetarian = not an issue
Having food sensitivities that are actually real and diagnosed, not just a bid for attention or a shield to hide an eating disorder = not an issue
Having an actual, diagnosed GI issue that is not a direct result of disordered eating = not an issue

Picky eating IS an issue. Grow up.
Any elective combination of the above, or toggling between vegetarianism and veganism frequently (again as a bid for attention) = yes, an issue

[Anonymous]

The several vegans I know are pretty chill and low key about it. Not preachy and don’t act like they think they’re superior in any way.

It’s the keto and carnivore people who are insufferable. Also the weirdos who harp on “seed oils” being “inflammatory”.

[Anonymous]

Anything taken to an extreme is a problem. Veganism is an extreme life-style choice. The people who are vegan have established an extreme response to something going on in their lives. It is a mentally and physically unhealthy coping mechanism.

Instead of spending so much time trying to defend your lifestyle choice, you should be investigating why you are making that choice and what you can do to fix the why. Your choice may be related to anxiety, it could be an OCD, it could be something else. Work with a therapist to heal your other issues, and you will find that using food control won't be necessary any more.