s/o - Cheating and Checking Diversity boxes

[Anonymous]

75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.

Source?

A citation would be great.

[Anonymous]

I had a white US-raised woman (first language was English) who had studied Spanish in college as my Spanish teacher in college. She'd give us tests where she'd pronounce the words and we had to write them down. But she pronounced them with such a terrible accent that I would miss many of them even though I'd known the words my entire life. (My first language was Spanish.) My son experienced something similar as a high school student.

[Anonymous]

"75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.'

That might be true for some African Americans and AAPI students since there are already at least two generations of those groups that have attended college and joined the ranks of the professional class. But it certainly is not the case for Latinos and Native Americans. I attended a HYSP for college and was very active in the Latino student community. I can count on one hand all the Latino and Native students I knew whose parents graduated from college and had well-paying careers. And among the African American students, most were the second generation in the entire family to attend college. Lots of children of two school teachers or maybe a lawyer or pediatrician here and there. My white classmates were the children of senior executives at major corporations, philanthropy and foundation leaders, generals/admirals, surgeons, and lots of professors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

You should check Hispanic for your kids. It’s doing them a disservice not to.

Check white hispanic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no verification for race when you register your child for school in k-12. Anyone can check the black or Hispanic box when you register your child and the school must accept it. Or you can go into the school office at any time and change your child’s race in the front office. Seems like the school must accept it at face value.

I don’t know why more parents don’t realize this.

Can’t it they be found out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.

Source?

A citation would be great.

It’s more like 81%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no verification for race when you register your child for school in k-12. Anyone can check the black or Hispanic box when you register your child and the school must accept it. Or you can go into the school office at any time and change your child’s race in the front office. Seems like the school must accept it at face value.

I don’t know why more parents don’t realize this.

Can’t it they be found out?

Yes, they can. Kids at top 10 universities, but when they were admitted, they had lots of events, and definitely were reaching out in-person to first generation and minority students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

How do they explain their last name (if Asian)?

You don’t have to explain anything. Period.

They don’t have to explain and they won’t get accepted to the highly selective universities they’re trying to deceive. If Alan Wang applies to Harvard, and checks the Black box, without explanation: denied (because he’s clearly a liar).

[Anonymous]

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For the white folks - do you not understand that this is what happened for your people a generation ago except the government fully paid for it? Y'all remain super supportive (or forgetful/willfully ignorant) of any handout that white people receive.

Have you heard of the GI Bill? Let's talk some numbers to help put this into perspective. There were ~16mil WW2 vets. 1mill were black, we will subtract them out, since they were denied GI benefits. So, we are left with around 15mil white male veterans (less the 350k women vets). Using 1950 census data: there were 150mil Americans total. ~135mil whites and ~15mil "nonwhites" (term used in census reports at the time). Of the 135mil white Americans in 1950, ~67mil were men. So, around 22% of white men were WW2 vets.

What a load of absolute bs. The GI bill was not and is not a handout. In order to obtain it, you had to serve your country for years. This is in no way comparable to “give kids a leg up because their skin is brown or black.” If you want to create a program in which blacks and Hispanics received educational benefits in exchange for four years of national service, great, let’s have that. But don’t pretend giving people a diversity advantage in college applicants is just like the GI bill, because that’s utter crap.

NP: you missed the part where Black veterans got nothing from the GI Bill. Do you think that was fair? Do you think white veterans didn’t benefit from their service?

That didn't make it a "handout" to whites. They had to earn it. The white servicemen weren't just handed the benefit for being white - they had to serve in order to get the benefit.

Reminder: most US military casualties in WWII were white men. Blacks overwhelmingly served in rear-area support units. Out of 405,399 US military deaths in WW2, only 708 were African American (0.17%). Do you think that was fair? Do you still think white servicemen were unfairly rewarded?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no verification for race when you register your child for school in k-12. Anyone can check the black or Hispanic box when you register your child and the school must accept it. Or you can go into the school office at any time and change your child’s race in the front office. Seems like the school must accept it at face value.

I don’t know why more parents don’t realize this.

Can’t it they be found out?

In college, they most certainly can and will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.

Source?

A citation would be great.

It’s more like 81%.

Yep. Do people not have google chrome?

It should be noted that Harvard’s plan will have the effect of adding further affluent influence to an already relatively affluent black student body. Once upon a time back in the 1960s, Harvard aimed to recruit high-potential black students from the so-called urban ghettos. In recent years, it appears that the vast majority of black students at Harvard come from upper-middle-class to affluent families. Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African-American Research at Harvard University, has stated his belief that very few of Harvard’s black students are the descendants of American slaves and that most black students at Harvard were from middle-class or affluent black families. A 2006 study by researchers at Princeton and the University of Pennsylvania found that more than one quarter of the native-born black students at 28 selective colleges and universities came from families with annual incomes over $100,000. Therefore, the new Harvard financial aid plan is likely to add more relatively affluent black students to a group that is already relatively affluent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.

Source?

A citation would be great.

It’s more like 81%.

Yep. Do people not have google chrome?

It should be noted that Harvard’s plan will have the effect of adding further affluent influence to an already relatively affluent black student body. Once upon a time back in the 1960s, Harvard aimed to recruit high-potential black students from the so-called urban ghettos. In recent years, it appears that the vast majority of black students at Harvard come from upper-middle-class to affluent families. Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African-American Research at Harvard University, has stated his belief that very few of Harvard’s black students are the descendants of American slaves and that most black students at Harvard were from middle-class or affluent black families. A 2006 study by researchers at Princeton and the University of Pennsylvania found that more than one quarter of the native-born black students at 28 selective colleges and universities came from families with annual incomes over $100,000. Therefore, the new Harvard financial aid plan is likely to add more relatively affluent black students to a group that is already relatively affluent.

Call it the Ivy League’s dirty little secret: While America’s most elite colleges do in fact make it a point to promote ethnic diversity on their campuses, a lot of them do so by admitting hugely disproportionate numbers of wealthy immigrants and their children rather than black students with deep roots—and troubled histories—in the United States.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-harsh-truth-about-black-enrollment-at-americas-elite-colleges-2020-06-25

https://www.good.is/articles/ivy-league-fooled-how-america-s-top-colleges-avoid-real-diversity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a white US-raised woman (first language was English) who had studied Spanish in college as my Spanish teacher in college. She'd give us tests where she'd pronounce the words and we had to write them down. But she pronounced them with such a terrible accent that I would miss many of them even though I'd known the words my entire life. (My first language was Spanish.) My son experienced something similar as a high school student.

Why didn't you learn a 'new' language? If your first language is Spanish, wth were you taking Spanish for your language requirement? I find this so common. In Honors Spanish 1-III at my kids' high school they are often the few kids who didn't grow up speaking Spanish at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:75% of the minorities attending Ivies are from wealthy families. It’s not helping the “disadvantaged”. It’s helping the elite.

Source?

A citation would be great.

It’s more like 81%.

Yep. Do people not have google chrome?

It should be noted that Harvard’s plan will have the effect of adding further affluent influence to an already relatively affluent black student body. Once upon a time back in the 1960s, Harvard aimed to recruit high-potential black students from the so-called urban ghettos. In recent years, it appears that the vast majority of black students at Harvard come from upper-middle-class to affluent families. Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African-American Research at Harvard University, has stated his belief that very few of Harvard’s black students are the descendants of American slaves and that most black students at Harvard were from middle-class or affluent black families. A 2006 study by researchers at Princeton and the University of Pennsylvania found that more than one quarter of the native-born black students at 28 selective colleges and universities came from families with annual incomes over $100,000. Therefore, the new Harvard financial aid plan is likely to add more relatively affluent black students to a group that is already relatively affluent.

Call it the Ivy League’s dirty little secret: While America’s most elite colleges do in fact make it a point to promote ethnic diversity on their campuses, a lot of them do so by admitting hugely disproportionate numbers of wealthy immigrants and their children rather than black students with deep roots—and troubled histories—in the United States.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-harsh-truth-about-black-enrollment-at-americas-elite-colleges-2020-06-25

https://www.good.is/articles/ivy-league-fooled-how-america-s-top-colleges-avoid-real-diversity

The research says this is because the public schools serving the disadvantaged minorities are so bad that the top Universities don't want to risk admitting kids that won't be up for the rigor of the academics when they arrive. So- they won't hedge their bets and will admit affluent/UMC minorities from good school systems or privates.