Loud ATV drivers at night? City government? Police?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I literally just saw one of these on the road driving in traffic.
https://arielrider.com/products/x-class-52v?variant=37498729889968

It has pedals, but the person riding it was not using them. It had no tags. The rider was in traffic and then switched to the sidewalk when traffic backed up and then went back into the road.

Is this a:
- bicycle
- motorbike
- dirt bike

You could claim it was all three, however the pedals seem superficial. It has an advertised maximum speed of 30 MPH, but there are tons of videos in Youtube with speed mods to make it go faster.

People that want to ban dirt bikes really need to come to terms with what’s happening in the e-bike market right now.

It's a motorized bicycle.

motorized bicycle is a two or
three wheeled vehicle with all of
the following characteristics:
(a) A post mounted seat or
saddle for each person that the
device is designed and
equipped to carry;
“(b) A vehicle with two (2) or
three (3) wheels in contact
the ground, which
are at least sixteen inches (16
in.) in diameter;
“(c) Fully operative pedals for
human propulsion; and
“(d) A motor incapable of
propelling the device at a speed
of more than twenty
miles per hour (20 mph) on level
ground

If the bike rider exceeds 20 mph, it is motorcycle. Don't do that unless you have a class M license.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rochester is fighting back. There is no reason we cannot change the rules to demand registration, fine, intercept, impound and destroy these vehicles as they are. This is not harmless fun — it’s noise pollution, illegal and terroristic behavior. What about children living in these neighborhoods? Do they not have rights? It’s not NIMBY either. It’s common sense and the politician with guts to make DC into a properly governed city will win.

You're right. It's easy to do. Just require any wheeled or tracked vehicle travelling 20mph or more on public property to be registered, required to follow motor vehicle traffic rules and their operator licensed for the amount of wheels or tracks they are using. It's a simple solution, easy to enforce and future proof.

OMG - this is sarcasm, right?

You cannot possibly be this ignorant of the facts here.

No. That solves the problem. It's also basic common sense. What about that would anybody disagree with? The problem with cracking down on them is that they don't necessarily fit into one of the categories so it is not clear if they are violating the law. Identifying exact engine size by quick glance is virtually impossible. Instead of expensive or complicated workarounds that won't work, acoustic cameras lol, just close the loopholes and simplify the process. KISS

The laws already exist.

The teens riding illegal bike DGAF about any of the laws. They simply ignore them.

I really believe you do not get it. At all. You are completely clueless about the "biker boys" culture.

But if you disagree, just head down to S.E. any summer evening, becon over one of the young men on an illegal dirtbike or ATV, and explain to him he must immediately cease and desist riding because it is in violation of traffic lawas and a danger.

Report back to us here how that goes.

What you seem to be missing is that it is not entirely clear that the dirt bikes are violating any laws right now. Engines smaller than 50cc or dirt bikes with manual gears are not illegal and have no registration requirement. There are also different rules depending on whether or not there are pedals and the type of tire installed. Changing the registration rule to make it speed based and vehicle neutral solves that problem, prevents loopholes and simplifies enforcement.

Without registration tying the vehicle to the owner there is no point in fines.
Banning two stroke engines has the exact same enforcement problem, is ineffective because 4 stroke engines exist, and includes lawnmowers among other things.

These rules seem pretty clear: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/minibikes-and-other-small-vehicles

It is illegal to ride or operate a minibike, dirt bike or All Terrain Vehicle (ATV) anywhere on public space in the District of Columbia (including streets, sidewalks, alleyways, bike lanes, public trails and other public locations).

Look at the definitions.

There's nothing about tire or engine size for dirt bikes or ATVs.

Tire type - off road is part of the definition.
Engine - The definition references the motorcycle definition which has specific elements regarding engine size and gearing.

There is a reason why there is a thriving market for street legal conversion kits.

My understanding is that they have a hard time defining rules that would ban dirt bikes but that wouldn’t ban motorbikes, mopeds, “motorized bicycles” and e-bikes. People that want e-bikes to be broadly legal have the consequence that it creates massive loopholes for dirt bikes. I presume a lot of the pro-e-bike people are anti-dirt bike so it’s all a bit ironic.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/Non-Traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20Chart%20%283.24.21%29.pdf

The definitions don't seem unclear unless you have reading comprehension issues.

Hey look. The unpleasant anti-car, lying a-hole is back.

As an FYI, what you’ve just linked to is not the actual definitions under the legislation. This is just a “synopsis”, which is sort of like a cheat sheet but has no legal authority. You would need to actually go to the cited code for the definitions. But since you are a disingenuous liar, you obviously wouldn’t do that.

But if you actually bothered, please do tell me the difference under law between a 125c dirt bike, 125c motorcycle and 125c scooter. I would love to hear your expert legal analysis.

I am not the droid you are looking for. In fact, I have three cars.

There is no 125cc moped. That's a motorcycle. A dirt bike is a motorcycle designed primarily off-road use and is, by definition, a dirt bike when you called it a dirt bike.

That’s false and obviously so.
https://powersports.honda.com/street/minimoto/super-cub-c125

In DC, that's a motorcycle. The website doesn't moped anywhere. Thanks for playing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I literally just saw one of these on the road driving in traffic.
https://arielrider.com/products/x-class-52v?variant=37498729889968

It has pedals, but the person riding it was not using them. It had no tags. The rider was in traffic and then switched to the sidewalk when traffic backed up and then went back into the road.

Is this a:
- bicycle
- motorbike
- dirt bike

You could claim it was all three, however the pedals seem superficial. It has an advertised maximum speed of 30 MPH, but there are tons of videos in Youtube with speed mods to make it go faster.

People that want to ban dirt bikes really need to come to terms with what’s happening in the e-bike market right now.

It's a motorized bicycle.

motorized bicycle is a two or
three wheeled vehicle with all of
the following characteristics:
(a) A post mounted seat or
saddle for each person that the
device is designed and
equipped to carry;
“(b) A vehicle with two (2) or
three (3) wheels in contact
the ground, which
are at least sixteen inches (16
in.) in diameter;
“(c) Fully operative pedals for
human propulsion; and
“(d) A motor incapable of
propelling the device at a speed
of more than twenty
miles per hour (20 mph) on level
ground

If the bike rider exceeds 20 mph, it is motorcycle. Don't do that unless you have a class M license.

It doesn’t have a seat post and exceeds 20 MPH. But it has pedals. You are going through a lot of trouble to just not admit that the regulations have a lot of loopholes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I literally just saw one of these on the road driving in traffic.
https://arielrider.com/products/x-class-52v?variant=37498729889968

It has pedals, but the person riding it was not using them. It had no tags. The rider was in traffic and then switched to the sidewalk when traffic backed up and then went back into the road.

Is this a:
- bicycle
- motorbike
- dirt bike

You could claim it was all three, however the pedals seem superficial. It has an advertised maximum speed of 30 MPH, but there are tons of videos in Youtube with speed mods to make it go faster.

People that want to ban dirt bikes really need to come to terms with what’s happening in the e-bike market right now.

It's a motorized bicycle.

motorized bicycle is a two or
three wheeled vehicle with all of
the following characteristics:
(a) A post mounted seat or
saddle for each person that the
device is designed and
equipped to carry;
“(b) A vehicle with two (2) or
three (3) wheels in contact
the ground, which
are at least sixteen inches (16
in.) in diameter;
“(c) Fully operative pedals for
human propulsion; and
“(d) A motor incapable of
propelling the device at a speed
of more than twenty
miles per hour (20 mph) on level
ground

If the bike rider exceeds 20 mph, it is motorcycle. Don't do that unless you have a class M license.

It doesn’t have a seat post and exceeds 20 MPH. But it has pedals. You are going through a lot of trouble to just not admit that the regulations have a lot of loopholes.

This electric mountain bike can go 45 MPH. Is it a “dirt bike”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I literally just saw one of these on the road driving in traffic.
https://arielrider.com/products/x-class-52v?variant=37498729889968

It has pedals, but the person riding it was not using them. It had no tags. The rider was in traffic and then switched to the sidewalk when traffic backed up and then went back into the road.

Is this a:
- bicycle
- motorbike
- dirt bike

You could claim it was all three, however the pedals seem superficial. It has an advertised maximum speed of 30 MPH, but there are tons of videos in Youtube with speed mods to make it go faster.

People that want to ban dirt bikes really need to come to terms with what’s happening in the e-bike market right now.

It's a motorized bicycle.

motorized bicycle is a two or
three wheeled vehicle with all of
the following characteristics:
(a) A post mounted seat or
saddle for each person that the
device is designed and
equipped to carry;
“(b) A vehicle with two (2) or
three (3) wheels in contact
the ground, which
are at least sixteen inches (16
in.) in diameter;
“(c) Fully operative pedals for
human propulsion; and
“(d) A motor incapable of
propelling the device at a speed
of more than twenty
miles per hour (20 mph) on level
ground

If the bike rider exceeds 20 mph, it is motorcycle. Don't do that unless you have a class M license.

It doesn’t have a seat post and exceeds 20 MPH. But it has pedals. You are going through a lot of trouble to just not admit that the regulations have a lot of loopholes.

This electric mountain bike can go 45 MPH. Is it a “dirt bike”?

Yet, this is a “Dirt” E-Bike with a top speed of only 31 MPH. Tell me smart guy, which should be banned and why? How can police officers easily tell the difference between what is legal and what isn’t?

Try as you might, it is not possible to concoct a set of rules that would only ban the Black kids you want out of your neighborhood and not a lot of other stuff.

[Anonymous]

Do give it a rest with provocations and made up stories. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the fact that last night, like almost every end of the week night, illegal vehicles terrorized neighborhoods at 100db+ and unsafe streets until past 4am. They negatively impact everyone, no matter the race, and for what? Cheap kicks for the few? Cut it out, I’ll vote for anyone that puts a stop to this in any manner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do give it a rest with provocations and made up stories. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the fact that last night, like almost every end of the week night, illegal vehicles terrorized neighborhoods at 100db+ and unsafe streets until past 4am. They negatively impact everyone, no matter the race, and for what? Cheap kicks for the few? Cut it out, I’ll vote for anyone that puts a stop to this in any manner.

Please address which of the three “bikes” above should be banned and why.

[Anonymous]

I don’t need to do any of that. Easy to solve — Philly Rochester New York New Haven etc are moving. It’s coming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t need to do any of that. Easy to solve — Philly Rochester New York New Haven etc are moving. It’s coming

Is this some type of coded language? I don’t understand what you are saying. What do these cities have to do with vehicle regulation in DC? How do DC regulations address all of these different vehicle types? Should motorized bikes, including e-bikes, just be banned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do give it a rest with provocations and made up stories. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the fact that last night, like almost every end of the week night, illegal vehicles terrorized neighborhoods at 100db+ and unsafe streets until past 4am. They negatively impact everyone, no matter the race, and for what? Cheap kicks for the few? Cut it out, I’ll vote for anyone that puts a stop to this in any manner.

Please address which of the three “bikes” above should be banned and why.

Here’s which; don’t owe you a why beyond that it’s basically illegal, antisocial and terrorizing:

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do give it a rest with provocations and made up stories. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the fact that last night, like almost every end of the week night, illegal vehicles terrorized neighborhoods at 100db+ and unsafe streets until past 4am. They negatively impact everyone, no matter the race, and for what? Cheap kicks for the few? Cut it out, I’ll vote for anyone that puts a stop to this in any manner.

Please address which of the three “bikes” above should be banned and why.

To start, any bike that is super loud. Each to check with a db meter. Those quieter E-bikes are also much weaker, so have them try doing wheelies on those.

Also require that every motorcycle, ATV and E-Bike be licensed and registered. That gets rid of any loopholes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I literally just saw one of these on the road driving in traffic.
https://arielrider.com/products/x-class-52v?variant=37498729889968

It has pedals, but the person riding it was not using them. It had no tags. The rider was in traffic and then switched to the sidewalk when traffic backed up and then went back into the road.

Is this a:
- bicycle
- motorbike
- dirt bike

You could claim it was all three, however the pedals seem superficial. It has an advertised maximum speed of 30 MPH, but there are tons of videos in Youtube with speed mods to make it go faster.

People that want to ban dirt bikes really need to come to terms with what’s happening in the e-bike market right now.

It's a motorized bicycle.

motorized bicycle is a two or
three wheeled vehicle with all of
the following characteristics:
(a) A post mounted seat or
saddle for each person that the
device is designed and
equipped to carry;
“(b) A vehicle with two (2) or
three (3) wheels in contact
the ground, which
are at least sixteen inches (16
in.) in diameter;
“(c) Fully operative pedals for
human propulsion; and
“(d) A motor incapable of
propelling the device at a speed
of more than twenty
miles per hour (20 mph) on level
ground

If the bike rider exceeds 20 mph, it is motorcycle. Don't do that unless you have a class M license.

It doesn’t have a seat post and exceeds 20 MPH. But it has pedals. You are going through a lot of trouble to just not admit that the regulations have a lot of loopholes.

This electric mountain bike can go 45 MPH. Is it a “dirt bike”?

It could be registered as a motorcycle since top speed exceeds 20 mph.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I literally just saw one of these on the road driving in traffic.
https://arielrider.com/products/x-class-52v?variant=37498729889968

It has pedals, but the person riding it was not using them. It had no tags. The rider was in traffic and then switched to the sidewalk when traffic backed up and then went back into the road.

Is this a:
- bicycle
- motorbike
- dirt bike

You could claim it was all three, however the pedals seem superficial. It has an advertised maximum speed of 30 MPH, but there are tons of videos in Youtube with speed mods to make it go faster.

People that want to ban dirt bikes really need to come to terms with what’s happening in the e-bike market right now.

It's a motorized bicycle.

motorized bicycle is a two or
three wheeled vehicle with all of
the following characteristics:
(a) A post mounted seat or
saddle for each person that the
device is designed and
equipped to carry;
“(b) A vehicle with two (2) or
three (3) wheels in contact
the ground, which
are at least sixteen inches (16
in.) in diameter;
“(c) Fully operative pedals for
human propulsion; and
“(d) A motor incapable of
propelling the device at a speed
of more than twenty
miles per hour (20 mph) on level
ground

If the bike rider exceeds 20 mph, it is motorcycle. Don't do that unless you have a class M license.

It doesn’t have a seat post and exceeds 20 MPH. But it has pedals. You are going through a lot of trouble to just not admit that the regulations have a lot of loopholes.

This electric mountain bike can go 45 MPH. Is it a “dirt bike”?

Yet, this is a “Dirt” E-Bike with a top speed of only 31 MPH. Tell me smart guy, which should be banned and why? How can police officers easily tell the difference between what is legal and what isn’t?

Try as you might, it is not possible to concoct a set of rules that would only ban the Black kids you want out of your neighborhood and not a lot of other stuff.

You can't register any dirt bike, electric or otherwise. I don't see any functional pedals that would let your register as an electric bike.

[Anonymous]

This thread has gone completely off the rails. No one cares about hairsplitting over what counts as a dirt bike. That’s not really the main issue here.